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Re:Tell HN: IBM and SAP are cutting thousands of jobs by NKosmatos on Thursday January 26, 2023 @11:19AM (#34533724)
Following the trend :-( Time to get rid of people they don’t want, without them look bad since everybody is doing it, and also they’ll have an excuse if financial results aren’t very good. IMHO it’s the retaliation of big companies to what remote working brought to all of us (freedom, better wages, quality time, escape from bad environments…).
Re:Tell HN: IBM and SAP are cutting thousands of jobs by cdumler on Thursday January 26, 2023 @11:53AM (#34534334)
Nah. It's about making your financial results look better. My company touts every quarter how not only is revenue up, profit per revenue is up, ie. we're making more money on the money we make. Yet, when it comes to compensation and dealing with cost of living, the statement is that we haven't met our targets so it's a 3% pool. Not minimum or maximum, but that for someone to get more someone else has to get less.

COVID had many enlightening observations about the economy, one of which is that there was a lot of inelasticity in consumer demand versus compensation. Companies have realized that there is a lot more value to extract from employees.

Re:Tell HN: IBM and SAP are cutting thousands of jobs by crmd on Thursday January 26, 2023 @12:33PM (#34535151)
At my last medium sized company there were at least a half dozen branches of “the budget”, with employees and sales people being measured against the most aggressive budget, and several levels of management adding their own buffers, and finally the board which was working off the most conservative/pessimistic revenue and profit forecasts. No idea if this is normal or not.
Re:Tell HN: IBM and SAP are cutting thousands of jobs by lotsofpulp on Thursday January 26, 2023 @12:42PM (#34535330)
It is normal because most labor sellers are not able or willing to sell their labor at a higher price to a different buyer.

All that nonsense about pools and targets and budgets is just a polite way of the buyer saying “we are betting you will not quit for x number”.

As a labor seller, you should always just think of employers as buyers, and negotiate the way you would in any transaction. If you think you can get more, then shop around for a different buyer. Or a different line of business if your buyers are not earning much profit themselves.

Re:Tell HN: IBM and SAP are cutting thousands of jobs by bobkazamakis on Thursday January 26, 2023 @02:38PM (#34537562)
>It is normal because most labor sellers are not able or willing to sell their labor at a higher price to a different buyer.

In order to sell at a high price, someone else must be buying...

This market maker analogy really isn't a win.

Re:Tell HN: IBM and SAP are cutting thousands of jobs by lotsofpulp on Thursday January 26, 2023 @02:49PM (#34537727)
That is covered under “are not able to sell”.

And it is not a market maker analogy, it has nothing to do with market making.

The point is, the buyer dictating price is “normal” because sellers often are not in a position to turn down the offer, whether it be due to them not having an option or not being willing to take a risk.

Re:Tell HN: IBM and SAP are cutting thousands of jobs by lotsofpulp on Thursday January 26, 2023 @12:21PM (#34534891)
>profit per revenue is up, ie. we're making more money on the money we make.

This makes no sense to me.

Re:Tell HN: IBM and SAP are cutting thousands of jobs by drjasonharrison on Thursday January 26, 2023 @12:39PM (#34535265)
The amount of profit per customer or item sold has increased. Instead of just increasing the number of sales, they have increased their profit margin on each sale.
Re:Tell HN: IBM and SAP are cutting thousands of jobs by lotsofpulp on Thursday January 26, 2023 @12:40PM (#34535301)
Oh, the usual way to phrase that is “increased profit margins”.
Re:Tell HN: IBM and SAP are cutting thousands of jobs by yowlingcat on Thursday January 26, 2023 @11:55AM (#34534399)
This kind of conspiratorial thinking is a fib people say to make themselves feel better. "financial results aren't very good" is the leading cause of death of most companies -- you can't just gloss over it as if preventing it isn't the leading root cause.

The truth is that companies could afford a lot more less ROI positive resource investments, and yes that even extended to hiring. Now that companies are in a situation far rougher than anything we've seen in the past 15 years (end of zero interest rate policy and cheap funding), companies are scrambling to cut costs and maximize ROI on their existing costs, so that they don't die. They have to, now.

Re:Tell HN: IBM and SAP are cutting thousands of jobs by dehrmann on Thursday January 26, 2023 @12:17PM (#34534811)
Not to diminish how hard it is to be impacted by layoffs, 1.5% and 2.5% is fairly small. This really does feel more like restructuring than what the rest of tech has been seeing.
Re:Tell HN: IBM and SAP are cutting thousands of jobs by Ironlikebike on Thursday January 26, 2023 @12:29PM (#34535073)
> Time to get rid of people they don’t want, without them look bad since everybody is doing it, and also they’ll have an excuse if financial results aren’t very good.

This is IBM's classic modus operandi. I worked there from 2001 - 2013 and survived 17 rounds of deep layoffs during that time. IBM constantly manipulates their financial results on the backs of their employees.