Of course, I agree, I don't like any of it. And it's going on with or without Apple, they are playing catch-up not driving it.

I am not saying this to "excuse" Apple, I'm interested in no such thing. My point is that stopping Apple wouldn't stop it.

I don't know how to stop it. It's sad.

But I don't listen to spotify podcasts, even when some of my favorites get absorbed by them.