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Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by throw_pm23 on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @08:22AM (#34517941)
Honest question: what's the point of password managers? By migrating from one to the other, aren't you exposing yourself to the exact same risk?
Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by acdha on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @08:37AM (#34518076)
Password reuse is the most common way people are breached. Until there’s pervasive WebAuthn passkey support, that means you need a way to store unique passwords for everything you use and that can’t be algorithmic because different sites have conflicting policies.

Other password managers don’t have Last Pass’ long history of security concerns. They also have hardening against this specific scenario. For example, 1Password assumes they could be breached and includes a strong random key which is unique per-user so in an event like this the attacker would have to do a lot more work to break vaults:

https://support.1password.com/secret-key-security/

Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by selykg on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @08:34AM (#34518047)
The alternative right now is to use the same password everywhere. That's even worse.

If one site is breached you have to go change your password everywhere. By using a password manager if one site is breached you just have to change that one password for that site. Using the same password everywhere is a real concern that should be avoided at all costs.

LastPass's breach is the exception to the rule. Generally speaking password managers have had a far better go of things than LastPass has.

By far, using a quality (LastPass is not one of them and frankly never has been) password manager is likely going to be the most secure thing that any average user uses every day.

This breach is much the same as the typical media stuff, hyperbole does no one any good. One bad thing happens and the sky is falling (hyperbole). No, the sky is falling for that app (LastPass) but not for every password manager. You have two really good options: Bitwarden and 1Password. I, personally, wouldn't touch any others that are cloud based. Local password managers are another matter, but they're simply a non-option for me and I'm not willing to give up the convenience, or the administration abilities that come with it in a business environment.

Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by Izkata on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @09:38AM (#34518719)
> The alternative right now is to use the same password everywhere. That's even worse.

Or to just use the browser's saving functionality and never push your passwords online in the first place. They're probably only using one primary device like me; I generally don't log in to stuff on my phone, or personal stuff on my work laptop/work stuff on my personal laptop.

If their habits are like mine then these cloud password services are pretty pointless.

Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by fullstop on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @10:18AM (#34519227)
You're unlike most people in that regard. I'm signed into services on at least two or three devices -- a desktop, a laptop, and my phone.

Also, with your setup, what happens if the computer with the browser containing all of the saved passwords is destroyed somehow?

I don't know if this has changed, but a few years ago the stored passwords in Chrome were stored unencrypted in a sqlite3 database. (on Linux, at least) I'd use an audited service such as Bitwarden or roll my own Keepass thing before using the browser's saved password feature. All it would take is one RCE exploit in a browser to expose your passwords.

Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by Izkata on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @11:48AM (#34520624)
> Also, with your setup, what happens if the computer with the browser containing all of the saved passwords is destroyed somehow?

This has already happened a few times over the past decade: I restore from local backups.

Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by fullstop on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @11:57AM (#34520763)
Okay, one step further then. What happens if your house burns down? Eventually you will want some sort of offsite backup.

Also: https://ohyicong.medium.com/how-to-hack-chrome-password-with...

Passwords are still easy to obtain outside of Chrome, and apparently Firefox is just as easy.

By using the browser's saved password feature you are one RCE away from someone being able to automate the extraction of all of your passwords.

Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by Izkata on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @06:13PM (#34525504)
I have one, and minimal one on my keychain, both in an encrypted disk image I do memorize the password for.

I'm pretty sure on Firefox if you have the master password set, they're actually encrypted, and has done that for a long time.

Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by mrWiz on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @10:27AM (#34519317)
I think that using multiple devices is probably by far the most common use case. Personally I have my own PC, a work laptop, and a phone that I regularly use, and a tablet that I use irregularly (but often enough that I want my account information available).
Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by throw_pm23 on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @10:59AM (#34519865)
> The alternative right now is to use the same password everywhere. That's even worse.

What's wrong with storing them locally on your laptop or on a piece of paper in your wallet?

Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by wilsonnb3 on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @11:16AM (#34520118)
Storing on a laptop is inconvenient because I need to use them on my phone and other devices.

Storing on a piece of paper is inconvenient because there are roughly 350 logins in my password manager.

Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by xrikcus on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @11:46AM (#34520573)
and because transcribing a password from a piece of paper encourages short passwords.
Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by tomsmeding on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @08:32AM (#34518032)
The point is to allow oneself to use a different password for each website, and strong ones at that. The time required to memorise a large number of strong passwords is significant, and a password manager alleviates that.
Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by throw_pm23 on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @10:58AM (#34519844)
Why not store them locally (in a file on your laptop) or on a piece of paper in your wallet?
Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by x86x87 on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @11:24AM (#34520222)
Lol. A piece of paper with 200 passwords?
Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by foundart on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @11:21AM (#34520181)
What happens if your laptop is stolen or its hard drive fails or you lose your wallet?
Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by throw_pm23 on Thursday January 26, 2023 @03:44AM (#34529271)
The same thing like when you lose your car-key or any other valuable.
Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by a10c on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @05:51PM (#34525280)
I don't have my laptop with me everywhere I go and use my phone, iPad etc to log in to services.
Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by jabroni_salad on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @09:37AM (#34518714)
My work keepass has 68 credentials in it. I am not going to memorize all of that.
Re:LastPass breach gets worse – reddit.com/r/sysadmin by phonebucket on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @11:51AM (#34520661)
> By migrating from one to the other, aren't you exposing yourself to the exact same risk?

My main gripe with LastPass is that they did not encrypt everything. Vast amounts of important information (email addresses, billing addresses, telephone numbers, IP addresses, website URLS [0]) were not encrypted on user's local machines with the master password, and subsequently have fallen into the hands of a malicious actor.

I would feel much better about LastPass if the security genuinely was safeguarded by a strong master password. But they've demonstrated that it's not.

Other password managers, as far as I can see, provide much greater protection in terms of encrypting everything. That's why I'd feel better about using them.

[0] https://blog.lastpass.com/2022/12/notice-of-recent-security-...