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Re:Appliance makers sad that 50% of customers won’t connect ... by mindslight on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @05:20PM (#34511401)
Far down my todo list is to rehab an old washing machine I have sitting around that was said to have a "bad control board". Rather than buying another proprietary control board that always seem to somehow go "bad", my plan is to find or create a generic control board that handles driving the hardware and runs the state machine, and talks via serial to an ESP32 for local-control MQTT integration.

I feel like retrofitting older appliances might be the way forward, whether preemptively or as part of a repair. Although I do admit there are benefits to modern brushless drives (etc), that would be hard to design a generic control board for.

Although recently having gotten a tiny bit of experience with off the shelf PLCs, going that way might be the right answer rather than reinventing the wheel.

Re:Appliance makers sad that 50% of customers won’t connect ... by sliken on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @07:51PM (#34512844)
I lost the control board on a very simple electric stove, 4 pots for the stove top, 1 control for the oven, and a display with 2-3 LEDS and a display that showed either the time or the temp.

Looked very simple. Had a relay for the oven and 2 temp sensors. One for controlling the oven, and another to shut everything down if the temp outside the oven got too hot.

I do wonder how many types of these boards would be required to fit the common appliance types.

Re:Appliance makers sad that 50% of customers won’t connect ... by mindslight on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @09:54PM (#34513803)
The oldest automated appliances were just complex mechanical timers sequencing various things on and off, and appliances haven't advanced that much. On/off motors, solenoids, sensors, and some series limit switches.

Probably the biggest new difference I've seen is brushless motors with variable frequency drives, which requires its own power control electronics and probably some calibrations.

So in my estimation not very many. Packaging it all up in a way that an appliance tech could be comfortable installing would be the hard part.

Re:Appliance makers sad that 50% of customers won’t connect ... by mickdeek86 on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @05:43PM (#34525200)
Is this something we engineers could create an online space for - eg 'repairWiki' - where we jailbreak appliance controls in an open-source kinda way? Would this run afoul of the law, or just Big Appliance?
Re:Appliance makers sad that 50% of customers won’t connect ... by mindslight on Saturday January 28, 2023 @10:46AM (#34558485)
Well, I'm not talking about "jailbreaking" (loading one's own software that perhaps may involve defeating treacherous computing measures), but rather wholesale replacement of the control board with a generic open one. That you're wondering if this might be illegal shows just how far manufacturers have succeeded in separating us from the idea of modifying things we own.

Documentation would be fantastic, but it feels like a curation/discovery problem. After a bunch of deep searching, you can usually find a forum where people are discussing various lines of machines at a higher level, what features they have, repairability, etc. Parts websites generally have diagrams and whatnot (no idea where these come from or what it takes to get access to it wholesale). You can usually figure out cross reference part numbers from pouring through eBay/Amazon listings. And sometimes you even stumble onto a wiki or something where someone has documented a specific machine tangential to another project (eg Home Assistant).

Gathering it all up in one place to be useful, especially in a way so people will contribute their findings back so it can be self-sustaining, seems like the hard problem to me.