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Re:Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes by Dalewyn on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @06:25AM (#34502274)
>Firstly, many people, even smart ones are bad at mental math. The idea extra charges are added at the end is literally a dark-patterns used to trick people into spending more money because they are bad at doing this.

You are making a fair point that most people can't math.

On the other hand, people who can't do very simple math have bigger problems to worry about than tips.

>Next, why do _some_ waitstaff make a lot of tips, and not others. You don't acknowledge how in almost every biased way possible tipping promotes some people, and punishes others.

At least in theory, the point of tipping is to reward good staff and punish bad staff. The whole point of tipping is to create an income gap, with the hope that staff will be incentivized to be "good" staff so they make more money and be on the better side of the gap.

It's not unlike good employees getting paid better than bad employees, the only difference is that the incentives come from your customers rather than your employer.

>Lastly, I personally find tipping and therefore your slightly aggressive defense of it, kinda gross? It's a power-trip at the end of the day to control someone else's actions with your money. Sure, that's life, but with tipping it's so blunt.

Even without tips we are all going to engage in "controlling someone else's actions with money". That fancy restaurant that just billed you 3 or maybe even 4-digits? That money is so the staff are incentivized to treat you like nobility, among other luxuries you just enjoyed.

Re:Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes by noduerme on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @07:17AM (#34502659)
>> It's not unlike good employees getting paid better than bad employees

It's actually exactly like that. In the feral world of New York City wait staff, where people only live on tips and there is no base income, the income gap is extraordinary in the same shift in the same restaurant. And it's only slightly based on looks, or how "cute" someone is. It's almost entirely based on their skill and ability to serve the customer well. I could walk out with $250 a night and another waiter would walk with $350. He was simply faster, more clever and better at serving and charming the customers. I was a bad waiter. Of course, the prettiest women among us might walk out with $450, so I guess if someone really wants to complain about life being unfair, they could. But those girls needed to stockpile cash then while they were young. As an old man, a waiter can still make the same.

Re:Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes by tallanvor on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @07:40AM (#34502858)
You're just plain wrong, please stop. New York City has a $15/hour minimum wage, with a $5/hour "tip credit" for food service employees - that is, as long as the employees are making more than $5/hour in tips, the employer only has to pay them $10/hour. Any employer that doesn't pay a base wage is operating illegally and is guilty of wage theft, no matter how many tips the employee makes.

And yes, I can back this up: https://dol.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2023/01/p717_12-22...

Re:Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes by noduerme on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @09:44AM (#34504170)
Well, that wasn't the case in 2002. The minimum wage for waiters in New York was $0.

$15/hr ain't exactly a living wage either, nor does it justify losing a table for an hour on four people who don't leave a tip. The difference between $15/hr in New York City now and $0/hr in 2002 is basically nil.

Waiters make their money from tips. If you ever work in the service industry in America, and serve them their breakfast, you'll understand why.

Re:Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes by rascul on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @12:58PM (#34507316)
> Well, that wasn't the case in 2002. The minimum wage for waiters in New York was $0.

I have trouble finding the information on my phone but I'm pretty sure this was illegal federally since at least the '90s.

I'm not saying you're wrong.

Re:Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes by FrontierPsych on Sunday January 29, 2023 @03:18AM (#34566011)
That person's main point is still true. The main point is that a better waiter/waitress makes more money in the same shift, even if they hypothetically waited on the exact same people.

There is skill and talent involved. We have all had shitty waitstaff wait on us, and great people, too. The great people get a better tip, even if they are uglier, or walk with a limp and have a hunch back like Quisimoto. In another post, I listed dozens of ways that one staff person can make more than another by using different techniques.