Re:The Disappearance of the Ashtray
by jdkoeck on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @02:48AM
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Right, so the reason there are thousands of books and methods about quitting smoking isn’t because it’s hard, it’s because people don’t really want to. Or maybe they’re stupid? Got it.
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I didn’t say it was easy, or that people who smoke are stupid, I said it was a choice. If you choose to quit smoking then you’ll succeed.
Re:The Disappearance of the Ashtray
by actionfromafar on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @03:24AM
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Ah, the Yoda solution. "There is no try."
Re:The Disappearance of the Ashtray
by throwaway290 on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @03:36AM
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Want to quit != want to want to quit, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher-order_volition
Re:The Disappearance of the Ashtray
by PaulRobinson on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @05:53AM
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There are literally millions of people who choose to quit smoking and fail, every single day.
Re:The Disappearance of the Ashtray
by sebzim4500 on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @07:17AM
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I don't think it's 'fail' so much as 'change their mind'.
Re:The Disappearance of the Ashtray
by Al-Khwarizmi on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @04:44AM
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I know several people (including family members) who spent several decades "trying" to quit smoking, but "couldn't"... until they started having health problems and a doctor told them very clearly and in a serious tone that if they didn't quit, they would die.
At that point, they quit literally overnight and never went back. And I'm using "literally" literally here.
So yes, I know it's hard, but I'm pretty sure people who don't manage to quit just don't want to quit hard enough. They "want" to in the same sense that I want to learn martial arts: I've always thought that it would be great to master a martial art, and sometimes fantasize with it, but I know fully well that I'm never going to do it because I'm not willing to do what it takes (the time, the discipline, receiving blows, etc.)
In other words, I don't think wanting to snap a finger and magically never feel like smoking anymore qualifies as wanting to quit smoking.