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Re:OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership by yellow_postit on Monday January 23, 2023 @10:49AM (#34490216)
_startup has no shot once incumbent comes to their senses_ is a claim that I think HackerNews of all places would be cautious in believing too fully.

Is it likely Google or others with large Research wings can compete with OpenAI? Very probably so, but I’m assigning a non trivial risk that the proverbial emperor has no clothes and incumbents like Google cannot effectively respond to OpenAI given the unique constraints of being a large conglomerate.

Regardless, time will provide the answer it seems in a couple of months.

Re:OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership by Keyframe on Monday January 23, 2023 @11:25AM (#34490859)
You _do_ understand everything we've seen from OpenAI Google already showed us they have? Not to mention OG research and being the primary r&d force behind vast majority of AI you're seeing. They haven't put it in hands of users as directly yet though, reasons to be speculated upon.
Re:OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership by Firmwarrior on Monday January 23, 2023 @12:36PM (#34492088)
Sounds a lot like Xerox and GUIs, Microsoft and Web 2.0, Microsoft and smartphones, etc
Re:OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership by lostmsu on Monday January 23, 2023 @03:06PM (#34494225)
I must say that both of your and parent's points are very enlightening.

Yours in that from it follows, that there's still quite a bit of room to get ahead of OpenAI for smaller players.

Parent's in that in order to achieve above one can just leverage the public papers produced by bigger research labs.

Re:OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership by ben_w on Monday January 23, 2023 @04:11PM (#34495091)
Depends on the timescale.

I have the feeling that smaller players are about as likely to get past GPT-n family in the next 2-3 years as I am to turn a Farnsworth Fusor into a useful power source.

Major technical challenges that might be solvable by a lone wolf, in the former case to reduce the data/training requirements and in the latter to stop ions wastefully hitting a grid.

But in 10 years the costs should be down about 99%, which turns the AI training costs from "major investment by mega corp or super-rich" into "lottery winner might buy one".

Re:OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership by robotresearcher on Monday January 23, 2023 @04:42PM (#34495483)
This tech is capital-intensive even when you know how to do it.
Re:OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership by lostmsu on Monday January 23, 2023 @04:55PM (#34495658)
I heard estimates in tens of $M. That's rather available.
Re:OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership by robotresearcher on Monday January 23, 2023 @11:12PM (#34499132)
Isn't that quite a lot of other-than-personnel cost for a software startup? And how many iterations do you throw away before you get one that generates income?
Re:OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership by lostmsu on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @12:26AM (#34499730)
I did not necessarily mean 10 people startups. There are quite a few companies smaller than OpenAI, but much larger than 10 people.
Re:OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership by fragmede on Monday January 23, 2023 @01:16PM (#34492692)
Yeah, especially since there's a Stripe Amazon partnership piece on the front page right now, and Amazon Pay's right there.