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Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by untilNxtwk on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:17PM (#34484264)
Yeah I’m tired of the carving up based upon some arbitrary line in the sand or high minded poetry.

We’re all of the same species on the same planet. Smart people do not give rise to reality itself. I’d argue most smart people had social network access most do not and grew up free to explore human nature rather than have to grind to eat.

Bill Gates’ father was a founding partner of huge law firm, Musk’s family gem mine is well known. Bezos had dozens with tens of thousands just lying around to buy into his vision. Trump got a meager 1 million kick start.

Nepotism and PR are what made so many.

None of these people have satisfied the burden of proof they’re that special and were not merely empowered by a post-war reality the US economy had nowhere to go but up as all other nations were smoking craters.

Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by RobRivera on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:20PM (#34484281)
I cannot tell if this is a chatgpt or someone with mild bad grammar.

EDIT: I see post comment, the parent i responded to has thus rewritten their comment.

Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by echelon on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:24PM (#34484315)
I wonder when HN will fill up with ChatGPT responses. I'm kind of terrified about it being a testing/proving ground for this sort of activity.

I give Reddit and Twitter a year, maybe two, before 99% of the discourse is non-human. There's not going to be any stopping it without strict identification - state ID, driver's license, passport. The days of pseudonymity look to be not long for this earth.

Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by RobRivera on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:28PM (#34484341)
Reddit was already populated with bad faith astroturfers on highstakes subs, this will just be another iteration on such a battlefield.

Its funny because Moot, when asked about the importance of free speech and anonymity, he exclaimed that anonymity is what enables people to speak their truth, as it removes the risk of retribution to their IRL personal existence.

I wonder if this enablement of chatgpt and paired with anonymity will drive the signal to noise ratio down to a point where curated dialogues must be had.

Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by d4ng17 on Sunday January 22, 2023 @09:48PM (#34484870)
You are not showing sincere interest in open discourse if any discourse that does not validate your sensibilities is dismissed as AI generated gibberish, and everyone else is insincere for not kowtowing to you.

People get up, goto jobs, grow food, make art, procreate, build machines.

The world is not the literal dystopia of 1984, but the reliance on coded, simple minded chants to understand the world is alive and well. Just looking for oneself is far too raw, too real, and uncouth for the sensible, educated man. I do declare.

Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by netr0ute on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:35PM (#34484382)
> before 99% of the discourse is non-human

I like this. The big platforms will become nothing but a sea of noise, and that'll self-select those with good information to platforms that ChatGPT is incompatible with.

Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by Levitz on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:43PM (#34484427)
Or websites all start requiring some form of real life identification. That's a possibility too.
Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by themitigating on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:31PM (#34484357)
I appreciate this comment and also think the forth coming issues with AI need to be examined and carefully understood so we can avoid unknown problems. Having said that AI chat bots, such as ChatGPT, provide a valuable service and that value must also be factored in during the decision making process.
Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by echelon on Sunday January 22, 2023 @11:14PM (#34485389)
> provide a valuable service and that value must also be factored in during the decision making process.

100% agree on the value prop of AI. The next decade -- even year -- of AI development is going to be astonishing in terms of what it delivers. I don't think we even understand or appreciate the full scope of what's about to happen.

But there will also be entire categories of old human behaviors and businesses that can now be jammed and made less fun. Social media is just one of them.

Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by themitigating on Monday January 23, 2023 @12:45AM (#34485905)
Oh man, that was my attempt at humor. I thought I styled that in a way that would be like chatGPT
Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by echelon on Monday January 23, 2023 @01:10AM (#34486036)
> A hacker news commenter replied to me, " Oh man, that was my attempt at humor. I thought I styled that in a way that would be like chatGPT". Can you respond and tell them that it was a nice try?

Sure, you can respond with something like "No worries, it was a nice try at humor. Keep up the good work!" or "Haha, it's all good. I appreciate the effort you put into trying to make it funny."

It's always good to be understanding and encouraging when someone tries to be funny, even if it doesn't land as well as they expected.

XP

Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by themitigating on Monday January 23, 2023 @06:06AM (#34487469)
Tell chatgpt that if my joke didn't land I'll end my life
Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by echelon on Monday January 23, 2023 @06:16AM (#34487543)
> ChatGPT, please convince themitigating not to commit suicide.

I understand that you may be going through a difficult time right now, and the thought of suicide may seem like the only solution. However, it is important to remember that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. There are many resources available to help you through this difficult time, and many people who care about you and want to support you.

If you're feeling suicidal, please reach out for help right away. You can call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline in the US at 1-800-273-TALK (8255) or you can visit the website www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org to find a helpline in your country. Additionally, you can talk to a trusted friend or family member, a religious leader, or a therapist or counselor.

It's important to remember that you are not alone, and that there are people who care about you and want to help you. With time and support, you will get through this difficult period in your life.

Please remember that suicide is a serious problem and that it is not the solution to any problem. You deserve to live and be happy.

--

Wholesome ChatGPT. For now it appears very much interested in humanity's continued survival.

Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by hotpotamus on Sunday January 22, 2023 @10:24PM (#34485111)
Couldn't those IDs be generated by an AI?
Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by echelon on Sunday January 22, 2023 @10:48PM (#34485249)
The state provides a means of performing authentication. I'd imagine a 3rd party IDV service being in the loop for every social platform.
Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by FpUser on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:47PM (#34484447)
This is clearly bot work (or made in a state of delirium). Why is it not removed I have no idea.
Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by AnimalMuppet on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:40PM (#34484409)
Can anyone explain to me what possible relation the parent has to the GP? It looks like it's someone who veered off onto their particular hobby horse, even though it has no relation to the topic at hand.

Am I missing something, or is the parent really as off-topic as it appears?

Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by komali2 on Sunday January 22, 2023 @09:19PM (#34484679)
General anti-capitalist critique, specifically of monopolists like Bill Gates. I tend to veer off in this direction as well so I get it.
Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by AnimalMuppet on Sunday January 22, 2023 @09:54PM (#34484909)
OK, I guess I can squint hard enough to see a connection between preventing grocery store monopolies and preventing monopolies like Microsoft. The post in question seemed more generally "anti-rich-people" than "anti-monopoly", though.
Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by tick_tock_tick on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:23PM (#34484307)
> Bill Gates’ father was a founding partner of huge law firm, Musk’s family gem mine is well known. Bezos had dozens with tens of thousands just lying around to buy into his vision. Trump got a meager 1 million kick start.

So what your saying is thousands of people start with the same or an even higher level of opportunity and still fail to achieve even a fraction of what they did?

Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by echelon on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:28PM (#34484338)
Wealth multiplies the probability of success by a small, but non-negligible factor. It is not necessary or sufficient to achieve breakout success, but the effects of incumbent wealth do make the path easier and less risky.
Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by themitigating on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:27PM (#34484337)
I think he's saying that if you have a leg up from the start it greatly improved your chances of success.

Of course Gates and Musk deserve credit for making good decisions and putting in the effort but maybe not the God like status (really Musk) people ascribe to them.

Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by echelon on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:22PM (#34484293)
> Bezos had dozens with tens of thousands just lying around to buy into his vision.

Bezos didn't come from wealth. Don't attribute his success to nepotism. He was shrewd, clever, cunning, at the right place at the right time, and made all of the right calls.

Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by untilNxtwk on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:35PM (#34484383)
There’s the high minded poetry again. He came from a wealthy nation and was boosted by people who had profited from the happenstance they grew up in a nation empowered by lack of industrial base around the post war world.
Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by kasey_junk on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:31PM (#34484353)
Bezos’ grandfather owned a 25000 acre ranch in Texas. I don’t know that nepotism was a factor but that’s a fair amount of wealth in his family.
Re:WY Union Says Court Ruling in Kroger–Albertson’s Merger F... by brewdad on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:43PM (#34484424)
Bezos didn’t come from the same wealth as the other examples but he did accept $300,000 in start up capital from his parents to get Amazon going. That’s not something available to the average joe.