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Re:Is Copyright Eating AI? by arp242 on Sunday January 22, 2023 @04:36AM (#34475778)
I don't think it will benefit "the little guys", because "the little guys" rarely have the resources and time to litigate in the first place, or lobby to lawmakers to make the details work in their favour. Copyright always benefits "the big corps". Everyone is so eager to get one up on Microsoft that they're forgetting the bigger picture.
Re:Is Copyright Eating AI? by smolder on Sunday January 22, 2023 @04:51AM (#34475858)
The fact that the justice system is so inefficient that it doesn't serve people with less than a lawyers salary of money to waste isn't important to the conversation of whether it's fair or not for someone to ignore licensing and repackage your code as an "AI".

If you want to talk about the big picture here, it's about privatizing gains and socializing losses, the goal of every bigcorp, which is just more reason to disallow this abuse.

Re:Is Copyright Eating AI? by sillysaurusx on Sunday January 22, 2023 @04:58AM (#34475894)
Of course it’s material to the conversation whether people have resources in practice to use the tools of the justice system. It’s why small claims court is a powerful tool compared to a wrongful termination suit.

What you’re asking for is going to only benefit corporations. They’re the sole entities that will be able to afford the regulation you’re proposing.

It’s not even a hypothetical concern. Much of my notability came from books3, which contains almost 200,000 books, and is freely available to anyone. https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1320282149329784833?s=4...

I couldn’t train a GPT competitor without that. Neither could you. But corporations could.

Re:Is Copyright Eating AI? by smolder on Sunday January 22, 2023 @05:05AM (#34475930)
It should be up to the rights-holders what they allow their works to be used for. That way, I can say, "no, Microsoft, you can't pay me enough to allow your bot to train on my works" and at the same time allow you to train books3, thus taking power away from MS. If the rights-holders have no say, the barrier to entry is having big stacks of computers, and big corps win by default already.
Re:Is Copyright Eating AI? by sillysaurusx on Sunday January 22, 2023 @05:11AM (#34475956)
For what it’s worth, it was shockingly easy to get access to big stacks of computers, as someone who had very few resources. I hardly had money for IVF, let alone a supercomputer.

TRC (TPU research cloud) makes supercomputers freely available to anyone who will put them to good use. Like, literally you. You don’t even have to have a clear research goal for general access.

It was one of the big surprises of getting into AI. I didn’t expect that at all.

Even without TRC, compute is only getting exponentially cheaper. A 1.5B ChatGPT may sound puny, but I’ve seen how powerful the non-chat variants are.

Re:Is Copyright Eating AI? by arp242 on Sunday January 22, 2023 @05:18AM (#34475983)
The justice system is not going to change any time soon, and you can't ignore it. So that is the reality in which we must operate. Besides, it's not as simple as "the justice system sucks", because much of the time it's just a matter of not wanting the headache, and lawsuits will bring headaches in any justice system.
Re:Is Copyright Eating AI? by sillysaurusx on Sunday January 22, 2023 @04:53AM (#34475868)
Thank you. It’s legitimately scary to read through these comments. It’s like watching everyone clamor for Stalin to be put in power: not even a good idea in the short term, let alone the long term.
Re:Is Copyright Eating AI? by smolder on Sunday January 22, 2023 @04:59AM (#34475899)
Your backwards appeal to ideology is completely absurd. If it was Google training an AI on Microsoft's code, MS sycophants and PR people would be calling GOOG the rights-ignoring Stalin-loving communists.
Re:Is Copyright Eating AI? by sillysaurusx on Sunday January 22, 2023 @05:02AM (#34475916)
Maybe, but it wouldn’t change the truth that the outcome of Microsoft restricting Google would benefit Microsoft, a trillion-dollar corporation, and not you or I. Nor anyone who isn’t a wealthy corporation.