At least in the US, extreme political polarization has also made it so ~40% of people won't even hang out or party with another ~40% of people, and vice versa. I've got friends on both sides, and I'd never be able to host a successful party that included them all. People can't leave that shit at home anymore.

I don’t understand why should people “leave that shit at home”? I’m not defending the parent example of a friend being progressive and criticizing others while engaging in similar wasteful behavior, but if you really believe in something, doesn’t it hurt to see the opposite? I suppose most people’s views in the US are superficial and team based in which case then I agree.

> doesn't it hurt to see the opposite

This is the point. Leave that shit at home so the "other" folks don't have to see your shit. And if they agree to this social construct then you will not have to see their shit either.

Right, but I guess the presumption is you’re the arbiter of what shit is worth leaving at home versus not. I assume if a known pedophile came to a party, others might say something and you’d be okay with that.

Not trying to raise a big point but I just don’t think it’s easy for everyone else to leave things they care about at home as some others. The more passionate, the harder it is.

I would agree to "leave that shit at home" insofar as it means "leave that shit at home until it is mature enough to be taken out in public".

If you can discuss your opinions without giving or taking offense, then fine. I certainly haven't reached that level of maturity, so it is an ideal for me.

> ... but if you really believe in something...

Let's be clear whether this means you feel a need to persuade the person you're sharing your opinion with. If so, have you given serious thought about how to persuade? What is more important here to you: sharing your opinion or bringing others to adopt it?

I think it's the whole etiquette of "Don't discuss religion or politics in polite company." If you really passionately believe in some political figure or religious thing, that's great. Other people don't, and I'm hosting a party for everyone to have fun, not just for believers. So, for the sake of getting along, leave it behind. Surely even passionate people can avoid talking about these topics for the mere 2 or so hours they spend trying to have fun!

I nearly had to throw someone out of a pool party being hosted for a bunch of 10 year old kids. The kids were all having a blast, but Mister Politics just couldn't stop talking about and inserting his political views. In this particular case I was in agreement with him, but it doesn't matter. This shit doesn't belong at an event that's supposed to be fun.

I agree with you in spirit but I’ve found as I’ve gotten older, I actually have more fun doing things with people whose life views I agree with. It’s hard to bury feelings if someone else is against immigrants (my parents are one), are against techies (that’s me!), anti-abortion, and many other current things I care about.

I’m not the type to raise a stink but I usually won’t have as much fun there either. I guess it’s more that my desire to avoid unpleasantries and making a ruckus than leaving my feelings at home.

Why are you against techies? What's so wrong with us? :'(

Nothing wrong with us, we rock :). I guess I’ve heard comments about our wealth inequality, gentrification, and mobility that not all careers have but there’s no easy solve.

It's weird to me. I don't consider myself a conservative, because anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that the "conservative movement" in the USA is a grift to part boomers and their money. Just look at the ads that play on Fox News and talk radio! How many vitamin supplements and gold IRAs do we need? Oh right, none. I do consider myself a traditionalist though: my basic political philosophy is pragmatically applying Chesterton's Fence. I suppose that means most people would consider my politics to be right-leaning. Even so, I have absolutely no trouble getting along with my far left friends, of which I have several. What's our secret? We don't poke at each other's sore spots. It's just that simple. When you know that you fundamentally disagree with a friend, you just accept that you fundamentally disagree, acknowledge it on the rare occasions it's necessary, and move on. At least in my social circle all of us know that shunning isn't going to change anyone's mind, it will just destroy a friendship. It's all downside with no upside and thus we don't do that.

The gold and vitamins is because anything to the right of NPR has trouble getting advertisers. There's a podcast I listen to called The China Show that is dedicated to news about things going on in China that's critical of China. They have tons of listeners but have to have the absolute most awful advertisers like online gambling sites because nobody wants to risk being their sponsor and pissing off the Chinese government.

With regards to the Chesterton fence, I don't discuss vax politics with anyone at this point unless they signal that they have a deep understanding. That goes for most conspiracy stuff too. That's because even if they are totally open and desiring to hear to my position, the information is so segregated based on what media one pays attention to, I'll end up giving a big 30 minute stump speech explaining all the stuff they never heard of because they don't listen to alt. media and it's just annoying and a one-sided conversation that I'd rather not have. Better that they go listen to a podcast or something if they're interested than waste time on that sort of one-sided conversation.

> never mind the 6 pack of beer bottles he brought!

Glass is infinitely recyclable, whereas "disposable vapes" could be referring to just the cartridge (hopefully) but also could mean the full-fledged single-use vapes with a lithium battery inside. If its the latter, they really should switch to the former. If its the former then I think your friend was being a bit excessive griping about that but a 6 pack of infinitely recyclable glass is hardly a comparison to the perma-trash generated by plastic vape carts.

edit: just want to add, those lithium batteries aren't "disposable" because of any innate attribute of the battery, they're only "disposable" because they are sold that way. The batteries could have been reused if the company manufacturing the vape just designed it as such: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsJMj7FtroY

Most recycling winds up in a landfill. It’s expensive and costs energy. Sometimes we just pay china to put waste into a landfill and call it recycling.

There’s also the bottle caps, the packaging, and carbon cost of shipping a MUCH heavier product. There’s gotta be carbon output for growing barley and producing the actual beer too!

All so my environmentalist buddy can get drunk.

He shouldn’t feel guilty. The point is he’s doing the same thing as the vapers: emitting waste for a fleeting psychoactive effect.

The problem of climate change is so far above everyone’s pay grade. People shouldn’t be chastising others for their carbon footprint. It’s silly and impacts nothing.

I love my homie but Christ he’s gotta stop playing climate change moral arbiter

> Most recycling winds up in a landfill. It’s expensive and costs energy. Sometimes we just pay china to put waste into a landfill and call it recycling.

Source for this being applicable to glass? The news sources I've seen say that it's mostly an issue with plastics.

Also, glass isn't terribly polluting. It's inert and it will eventually degrade into sand. It'll take a long time but it's not like microplastics that stay in the body.

And we've been recycling glass before recycling was a big thing of course.

Politics is the art of meddling the state’s stewardship into people’s everyday life. Otherwise, it’s just heads of state talking together and no-one dares or feel empowered about managing the directions. But if you decide everyone should paint their bikeshed yellow? if you make everyone yell at each other for a mask? if you make one group believe their future depends on their siblings not consuming resources? This is politics.