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Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by xiphias2 on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:46AM (#34454627)
For me the two big changes were when Larry took over from Eric and when Amit was fired for harassment.

Larry may have been good or bad leader, but he was just super serious and boring. Eric was amazing at trying to make us think in grand visions and be optimists, what is needed in tech.

With Sundar TGIFs were not about organizing Google to a common goal, it was much more like watching advertisements.

Big team meetings started to be anti-harassment training camps.

I started to not participate in any team events and just code, as the leaders stopped giving us real honest guideance.

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by dekhn on Friday January 20, 2023 @11:54AM (#34455928)
During the deep dark days of Google+, at one TGIF a senior (very senior) search engineer stood up and asked Larry why they had to do everything Vic asked, like removing long-term search features and counting logins to Google as Google+ users, and Larry just sort of stood there, confused, and asked the crowd "can't you all just get along?"

It was at that moment I saw the stark difference between Eric and Larry (and later, the difference between them and Sundary). Eric was a leader. He knew how to rally the troops (his speech at TGIF right after the US economy shut down was amazing). he saw economic downturns as times for Google to grow its strengths, not shed its weaknesses.

What's amazing is how much the engineers at Google had to do to convince leadership that our pursuit of social (with the exception of youtube comments) was hurting our brand, and distracting us from the next profitable venture (cloud). I have eternal respect for the people who patiently convinced Yonatan Zunger (who wrote the infrastructure code implementing Real Names) that Real Names was a huge waste of time.

At this point it's clear there's nobody at the top of Google who really has a clue how to move the company forward. They should just put Ruth in charge and complete their transition to being a post-innovator focused entirely on maintaining their monopoly positions.

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by sergiomattei on Friday January 20, 2023 @12:37PM (#34456612)
I’d honestly read a book about these anecdotes. Do you have more?
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by dekhn on Friday January 20, 2023 @12:45PM (#34456772)
better to join google and go through all the internal history docs, memes (from the beginning) and ask the old timers.

The best books I've read (in terms of truthfully representing what it's like On the Inside) are In The Plex (hilarious because Hackers is what got me to Google), How Google Works (a bit silly, but does have some business knowledge from eric), Voices From The Valley.

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by sergiomattei on Friday January 20, 2023 @12:55PM (#34456933)
Time to apply! ;)
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by dekhn on Friday January 20, 2023 @02:25PM (#34458384)
Here's another. After working in Ads for a while somehow I convinced senior management to let me use all the idle cycles in prod. I spent the next three years building and running the equivalent of Folding@Home at scale (the largest number I'm allowed to share is that we used more than 700K Xeon cores 24/7 to run protein folding, drug design, and telescope simulations). We published a few high profile papers and then I shut down the project because it was using far too much energy and it made sense to free the resource up for more important projects.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by dekhn on Friday January 20, 2023 @02:26PM (#34458408)
How about this one? When I was working on my idle cycle harvester I happened to sit near Jeff Dean and Sanjay Ghemawat. I got invited to have coffee with them many mornings. I told them how I thought Google could contribute to managing genome data, and a few weeks later, they opened up a chat window and said "We wrote a mapreduce to compress DNA. Can you tell us if this is helpful?" and that's how Google Cloud Genomics was born.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by sergiomattei on Friday January 20, 2023 @05:58PM (#34461326)
What! That’s crazy. Is your background in biology or genomics? How’d you grow an interest towards these topics?
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by dekhn on Friday January 20, 2023 @06:22PM (#34461585)
yes, my training is in biology and it came about because I thought that biology would be more interesting to hack than computers (all this happened when I was in middle school and high school, hacking on the internet and taking biology classes). It's like being put in front of a magical new computer and being told "we have this thing in the lab, we don't know how it works, so can you sort of play with it and tell us how?"

But I also know computers quite well and so my career evolved to be "research engineer" rather than "scientist" or "software engineer".

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by sergiomattei on Friday January 20, 2023 @09:41PM (#34463298)
That's an interesting career turn. Thank you for these stories from a younger engineer just starting out. :)