Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set us up for the future

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by John23832 on Friday January 20, 2023 @09:14AM (#34453389)

Of all of the minorities in the world, even of the subset that may compete with you on for a position, you just CAN'T fathom that some of them may be better than you? That in even competition, this person, who just happens to be a (gender, racial, sexual orientation, ability, religous) minority is better than you at the position you're chose to apply for?

Framing your competition as diversity hires (and contemplating the outsized concern that they have on your life) says more about than you think. You're the bottom of the barrel at what you do. "Diversity hires" don't compete at a high level.

I for one know that if my competition wins, whether they are a minority or not, they do it on skill. I've elevated myself out of the concerns of competing with diversity hires, because I'm great at what I do. Level up.

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Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by netheril96 on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:22AM (#34454286)

Tell me more about how Asian Americans have to have better grades than Whites, Blacks and Latinos to get into the same school because they are somehow worse.

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Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by John23832 on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:32AM (#34454405)

Because amongst similarly qualified candidates we are THEN allowed to differentiate. It's the same reason you may pursue extracurricular and then put them on your college resume. Differentiation.

Where's your crocodile tears for Vietnamese kid from south central (where the Vietnamese in America are on the lower end of the economic scale) who is admitted to Harvard instead of a Chinese, Korean, Japanese, or Indian kid from a well to do family? Lets segment Asian Americans and see how you feel.

When opportunity is equally earned, we can then look to representation. Your argument is just an attempt to claim all spoils.

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Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by netheril96 on Friday January 20, 2023 @12:34PM (#34456570)

I don’t understand your case about Vietnamese being admitted to Harvard at all, or how I would have tears let alone crocodile tears. Your words make no sense.

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Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by John23832 on Friday January 20, 2023 @01:04PM (#34457069)

I guess english is not your primary language, because it's plain english.

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Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by UncleMeat on Friday January 20, 2023 @11:32AM (#34455500)

It is illegal to do what Harvard is doing in hiring decisions. It may even be illegal for Harvard to do what it is doing, given how the supreme court decides to rule. Affirmative Action doesn't exist in employment.

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Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by netheril96 on Friday January 20, 2023 @12:45PM (#34456778)

Affirmative action definitely exists in hiring. There are racial and gender quotas.

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Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by UncleMeat on Friday January 20, 2023 @01:17PM (#34457284)

Such a quota would be very loudly illegal.

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Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by anticensor on Saturday January 21, 2023 @05:23AM (#34465378)

Why would it be illegal to have two separate but otherwise identical simultaneous job postings, one only covering the protected group and one only covering the unprotected group? Like, 10 males and 10 females, or 10 whites and 10 non-whites, or 10 elders and 10 youngsters, as long as they are employed without such seggregation after hiring.

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Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by 8note on Friday January 20, 2023 @01:37PM (#34457627)

I'd guess that Asians with lower grades are less likely to apply. You'd get a distribution that looks like that even with completely random acceptance

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Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by netheril96 on Friday January 20, 2023 @01:09PM (#34457150)

And I forgot to say this: all of your words here are ad hominem attacks. You have a condescending attitude implying that somehow if one fails to win, they don’t have the right to complain about the unfair system. An absurd notion, given that they are impacted the most.

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Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by John23832 on Friday January 20, 2023 @03:18PM (#34459226)

There’s a difference between failing to win, and asserting that others cheated. Calling others “diversity hires” implies that others have cheated. You don’t get to claim the high ground there.

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Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by netheril96 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @05:23AM (#34465376)

It is not cheating if the act is in accordance with the rules of the game. What I am against is the rule itself. Never have I named names or suggested that ALL hires of a certain race are diversity hires. You have to put words in my mouth because you know you cannot refute my argument without purposefully misconstruing my words first.

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