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Re:Fake Meat Was Supposed to Save the World. It Became Just ... by slothtrop on Thursday January 19, 2023 @01:45PM (#34443914)
> plats reacting and signalling is no different than a bacteria moving along a concentration gradient.

No different than pain receptors, you mean.

> Plants have no brains or analog at all

No brain, yes. But what of "no analog" if the qualifier for suffering is deliberately clouded in ambiguity?

The only reason the brain matters qua suffering is owing to the capacity for consciousness. Plants have no brain, well, sardines have no cerebral cortex.

If you're going to trivialize the cerebral cortex based on whim/feeling, you can do the same for the whole brain. By extension it makes as much sense to attribute the possibility of consciousness to insects as it does to plants, because you're throwing the particulars of the brain out the window. Some "magical unknown thing 'X'" is giving them consciousness - but there's no reason "magical unknown thing 'X'" has to be specific to a brain.

Re:Fake Meat Was Supposed to Save the World. It Became Just ... by Dylan16807 on Friday January 20, 2023 @02:21AM (#34450087)
> No different than pain receptors, you mean.

Not the best argument. I don't really mind my pain receptors going off if the signal doesn't make it to my spine. Do you?

Re:Fake Meat Was Supposed to Save the World. It Became Just ... by slothtrop on Friday January 20, 2023 @09:07AM (#34453301)
If the signal "doesn't make it", it's an ineffectual signal. Are you suggesting plants have ineffectual signals?
Re:Fake Meat Was Supposed to Save the World. It Became Just ... by Dylan16807 on Friday January 20, 2023 @02:45PM (#34458701)
I'm suggesting that more localized signals are not the same as a pain response in a centralized blob of neurons.