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Re:Salesforce, but for Dating by ericmcer on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @05:31PM (#34434062)
I am sure it is not a parody. I have witnessed co-workers getting professional photographs and using spreadsheets to track dates/matches, all to carefully optimize their dating app success.

It reminds me of the early 2000s "pick up artist" stuff, I had a few friends who read the books and would actively hit on women anytime we went out. It was horrible haha.

As for the maker of this app, if it fills a need and gets widely adopted who knows?

Re:Salesforce, but for Dating by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @06:20PM (#34434562)
>It reminds me of the early 2000s "pick up artist" stuff, I had a few friends who read the books and would actively hit on women anytime we went out. It was horrible haha.

In the early 2000s only "professionals" used CAD. Now (almost) everyone with a 3d printer or a shed they want to build uses CAD. It's trickled down.

The pickup artists are on the bleeding edge of the "craft" if you can call it that. It shouldn't be surprising that the stuff they do (or at least the stuff that works) filters down.

Re:Salesforce, but for Dating by TabithaES on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @10:01PM (#34436220)
> The pickup artists are on the bleeding edge of the "craft" if you can call it that.

A lot of people are picking up on how PUA types are actually annoying grifters who think bullying women is flirting, or even that some forms of PUA are actually blatantly sociopathic.

A lot of them are pretending like they have some special insight beyond the fact that they a.) are conventionally mostly attractive b.) are at least a tiny bit charismatic c.) had enough self-confidence to try doing literally anything at all.

I hate having to deal with the aftermath of endless men approaching me at random who think "being an asshole" is flirting. It's so annoying.

Re:Salesforce, but for Dating by oceanplexian on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @10:34PM (#34436411)
There are plenty of grifters among PUAs, but that’s not really a fair portrayal to say the community is only comprised of scam artists or looking to take advantage of the opposite sex.

Some people who are looking to get better at dating are applying something vaguely approaching the scientific method to improve their odds in the game. For some reason, that triggers people. Decades of propaganda (Disney movies, etc ) have people thinking relationships are some kind of special, unknowable magic. Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but that’s now how attraction or relationships actually work. Imagine if you told someone with depression that they should simply “feel better” instead of working on therapy.

The legitimate PUA’s simply tell men that they can improve their luck in dating by focusing on fitness, improving social skills, and so on. People shouldn’t be shamed for self improvement. In fact it’s our society that’s deeply broken, not the extreme minority of men who are actually doing something to better themselves.

Re:Salesforce, but for Dating by dsfyu404ed on Thursday January 19, 2023 @08:07AM (#34439877)
I have some sympathy for the dating problems of women but I have less than zero sympathy for the dating problems of any woman who is young/attractive enough to be hit on when out and about. You are the seller of what is fundamentally a scarce resource. To the other ~80% of society (i.e. basically all men as well as the large fraction of women) this just comes across as a first world problem.

>even that some forms of PUA are actually blatantly sociopathic.

It of says a lot, and none of it good, that adopting sociopath behaviors and then spray and praying them is an effective way for men to keep the big end of the sales funnel full.

>A lot of them are pretending like they have some special insight beyond the fact that they a.) are conventionally mostly attractive b.) are at least a tiny bit charismatic c.) had enough self-confidence to try doing literally anything at all.

The pool of women that will entertain the idea of sleeping with any given man is small. The pool of men that will sleep with any given women is large. Women don't need to put any effort into identifying this pool. Men do, that's what all this spray and pray PUA crap is about. Men need to identify this pool before expending any filtration effort on other criteria. And at the other end of the funnel pool of women any given man is compatible enough with is large. Women have a much smaller pool of men they're compatible enough with so they try to filter by this first, much to the chagrin of every man who has to deal with it (the same way you're annoyed by getting hit on by men you're not interested in).

Oh, and I hope you noticed the perverse incentive for both men and women to fudge the things that are under their control in order to pass the filter of people who are otherwise out of their league or incompatible...

Thank god I'm not single anymore.

Re:Salesforce, but for Dating by roarcher on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:30PM (#34447141)
> The pickup artists are on the bleeding edge of the "craft" if you can call it that. It shouldn't be surprising that the stuff they do (or at least the stuff that works) filters down.

I had a friend who used the "craft" and had enough success with it that he was utterly convinced he could get literally any woman to sleep with him. He failed to notice that all of his "marks" could be grouped into roughly two sets of women:

  - Those who were highly insecure and not intelligent or not socially aware enough to realize they were being manipulated. 
  - Those who were fundamentally playing the same game, i.e., they were consciously looking to get laid, and they would sit in judgement of their suitors, sleeping with whoever could pass their "shit tests" and put on an impressive enough performance. An odd sort of "game recognizes game" self-awareness.
Personally I thought these performances were an embarrassing dog-and-pony show, but there's no accounting for taste.

Anyway, my point is that some of this stuff really does work, but it's not nearly as universal as its practitioners like to believe. And much of the time when it works, the target is fully aware of the game being played.

Re:Salesforce, but for Dating by imartin2k on Thursday January 19, 2023 @01:10AM (#34437245)
I’ve done that spreadsheet thing for a year or so, around 15 years ago when I just had started using online dating sites (which where different back then, and non-algorithmic)
Re:Salesforce, but for Dating by dfee on Thursday January 19, 2023 @01:14AM (#34437266)
Well, don’t keep us in suspense. How’s the last 14 years since been?
Re:Salesforce, but for Dating by imartin2k on Friday January 20, 2023 @01:36AM (#34449885)
Good. But single now by choice (and not dating). So no need for this CRM.