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Re:OpenAI Used Kenyan Workers on Less Than $2 per Hour to Ma... by andrewstuart on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @02:20PM (#34431562)
You are perhaps placed very well to create an outsourcing company that serves the interests of Africans extremely well with entitlements, leave, healthcare, retirement, education and training and gives companies access to a lower cost workforce.

You probably would need to lead all your corporate messaging around the points you have raised, and how much further your company goes than the minimum.

Re:OpenAI Used Kenyan Workers on Less Than $2 per Hour to Ma... by churchill on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @02:59PM (#34432165)
I really haven't thought about this much but it's a brilliant idea. Maybe I can use it to get into YC & raise 1 bajillion from a16z?
Re:OpenAI Used Kenyan Workers on Less Than $2 per Hour to Ma... by andrewstuart on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @03:28PM (#34432584)
No doubt Sam Altman is open to hearing about how to purchase African labor without any of the publicity downside - hit him up for a few mill. ChatGPT is riding high, it does not need Nike style bad publicity to bring the story down.

You would need to be actually ethical rather than marketing ethical - I don't know you so I don't know if you know the difference. Certainly there's no shortage of Silicon Valley "characters" who don't.

It's a very powerful "good news story" to sell to potential clients:

--> lower cost workforce

--> positive life benefit for the African people, lifting people to better lives

--> western style work protections at African costs

--> "publicity positive" for buyers versus "publicity negative"

You would not believe the power of "lower cost workforce" in gaining new clients.

If you know a bunch of African programmers then it should not be hard to find work for them at $x/hour to western clients.

Any employer that wishes to show it cares for African people and wants to help them to a better life really SHOULD be buying services from your new company.

Re:OpenAI Used Kenyan Workers on Less Than $2 per Hour to Ma... by churchill on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @03:34PM (#34432667)
I understand what you mean & I 100% stand behind the idea of better-paying jobs for locals, in a way that makes affordable labor available to customers.

It's not a zero-sum game - you don't have to treat people like trash to get any value out of their labor.

Re:OpenAI Used Kenyan Workers on Less Than $2 per Hour to Ma... by akiselev on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @03:28PM (#34432585)
I think a16z et al only invest in crypto and other scams now.
Re:OpenAI Used Kenyan Workers on Less Than $2 per Hour to Ma... by riezebos on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @05:48PM (#34434227)
I think about this every few months since 2016! It's been a bit of a "maybe some time in the future if the stars align" life goal to set up a data consulting company in a country with a lot of poverty. I did a project in Nairobi last year and it seems like there are enough people there that would be interested and have the skill potential. Internet was also quite good in most places. I'm also part of a small data science training company which could be used to teach data skills there. Maybe it's time to think about it more seriously?
Re:OpenAI Used Kenyan Workers on Less Than $2 per Hour to Ma... by jasode on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @03:03PM (#34432250)
>You are perhaps placed very well to create an outsourcing company that serves the interests of Africans extremely well with entitlements, leave, healthcare, retirement, education and training [...] , and how much further your company goes than the minimum.

One can try to build an alternative company with all those extra benefits you laid out but it still has to deal with the economic reality of clients like OpenAI not willing to pay more.

If gp's hypothetical Nigeria outsourcing company costs +3x or more to label data than Sama Kenya (https://www.sama.com/) -- because they have to fund those extra benefits, then game theory economics predicts that OpenAI would choose the less expensive Sama Kenya.

This means the hypothetical Nigeria company doesn't have revenue to fund those extra wages and benefits.

Just because a company has an alternative (and more expensive plan) to compensate employees, it doesn't mean customers will pay more for it.

Re:OpenAI Used Kenyan Workers on Less Than $2 per Hour to Ma... by FredPret on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @03:24PM (#34432513)
The idea behind free trade is that the "OpenAI / the end user is not willing to pay more" part stops being a problem when there are no more poverty-class people in the world to employ at that ridiculous pay. They'll have to pay more or do without the labour.

This is the virtuous upward cycle, slow as it may be.

Re:OpenAI Used Kenyan Workers on Less Than $2 per Hour to Ma... by asmor on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @04:20PM (#34433242)
We're already seeing this with some manufacturing moving from China to India due to growing labor costs. Eventually the places with cheap labor to exploit dry up.
Re:OpenAI Used Kenyan Workers on Less Than $2 per Hour to Ma... by FredPret on Thursday January 19, 2023 @03:40AM (#34438087)
In this instance, corporate greed is like a spreading storm that destroys the poor… by making them middle class.

As a formerly underpaid third-worlder (I am now a Canadian) I would’ve LOVED more Western companies coming in to exploit me for my labour.

Re:OpenAI Used Kenyan Workers on Less Than $2 per Hour to Ma... by asmor on Thursday January 19, 2023 @07:39AM (#34439668)
Survivorship bias much?

The only thing "the west" (or rather, the world bank) has done to address poverty is redefine it out of existence.

China has seen an uplift in wealth because they could leverage co-dependence to enforce better conditions. That isn't going to happen everywhere.

Re:OpenAI Used Kenyan Workers on Less Than $2 per Hour to Ma... by FredPret on Friday January 20, 2023 @02:10AM (#34450031)
The last thing the West needs to do is to show more paternalism towards the third world, even though they caused some of the issues.

When people have more economic opportunities that are rooted in a solid reality, they acquire more of the only real power on this planet - economic power.

Reading the history of the working and middle classes in the West, it becomes clear that as they very gradually got more options over the centuries, they started building various edifices to cement that power. Unions, parties, laws, political traditions.

Next I would argue that human greed is not unique to us but is simply a form of price optimization. Corporations and consumers in the West, or planet Zog for that matter, will always want their sneakers manufactured for ten cents a pair if they can get it.

For that reason, sending these economic options to the third world is a very real and sustainable economic situation. Contrast that with artificial political solutions like regular aid packages (I’m not talking about disaster relief or aid for countries at war like Ukraine, I’m talking about funding some African country because they are poor).

Eventually, a situation similar to middle class life here in the West will develop there. Keep in mind this took centuries here even when the West owned the world.

Eventually, as the sweatshops move from country to country, they will run out of poor people to make sneakers for ten cents a pair. We’ll live in a world where everyone is too rich to accept that job. I want to live in that world asap, and the fastest way to get there is through free trade.

Re:OpenAI Used Kenyan Workers on Less Than $2 per Hour to Ma... by asmor on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @04:19PM (#34433229)
There's certainly good press associated with doing good for local economies.

Take Raspberry Pi's new partner factory, also in Kenya.

https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/made-in-kenya/