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Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy (2008) by reidjs on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @01:48PM (#34431055)
What is the difference between a startup and a business nowadays?

I can start a business without an investment round, but not a startup? Is it a startup if it involves tech, a business if not? What if they use SOME tech, but not necessarily innovative tech? Or is this one of those 'you know it when you see it' kind of things? Has the term startup become a buzzword like "optimize" or "synergy"?

Seriously asking, not being snarky.

edit: thank you, for the responses that clarifiesthe distinction

Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy (2008) by gnicholas on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @01:52PM (#34431121)
According to PG, a startup is a company designed to grow fast. [1] Again, this is a bit at odds with the advice to be frugal. It's not that you can't do both, it's that you have to strike a balance because they are in many ways at the opposite ends of a spectrum.

1: http://www.paulgraham.com/growth.html

Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy (2008) by throwaway29812 on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @04:07PM (#34433083)
Right, and most often that growth is tied to a digital product that can scale to infinity with little additional capital needed.
Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy (2008) by NikolaNovak on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @02:17PM (#34431506)
My colloquial understanding is that Startup is meant to grow fast, Business is meant to grow slow.

Some of the causes and effects:

1. New business may have a proven business model, customers, product, market. Startup may have to find or create any of those

2. New business may have some capital to build/invest itself (I've worked in a restaurant, saved up, now opening my own). Startup is based on idea/people/work, but likely has no internal capital

3. Both have risk; but in some ways New business risk is known & understood. Startup's risk may be as undefined as their product/market.

Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy (2008) by rising-sky on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @05:17PM (#34433925)
I think the first point is probably the most differentiating characteristic. Startups are typically about innovating, doing something differently from what's expected or the norm. Typically, but not always, this leads to disruption in the domain if the startup is successful. But it should always be about innovating or attempting something different in its domain, otherwise it's just another business.
Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy (2008) by personjerry on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @02:25PM (#34431659)
Joel Spolsky explains it well in this article: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/05/12/strategy-letter-i-...
Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy (2008) by gopalv on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @02:10PM (#34431410)
> I can start a business without an investment round, but not a startup?

The answer around me seems to be that a startup comes out of an idea without the capital worked out. That the equity they have to offer is worth nothing, unless they execute the plan with money they don't have.

If you have the capital worked out, you can go ahead into the business phase of the process right away, where profitability is king and there's no plan needed to answer the "how to raise more?" question.

A lot of what we associate with startups is the justifications towards raising and a lot of what we see from a "business" is geared towards margins.

For instance, better margins by extracting more profits on a lower revenue is better for one, but looks bad for the other.

Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy (2008) by strangattractor on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @02:18PM (#34431521)
The grow fast part is key. If you can out spend your competition and out grow them it is much easier to monopolize your market. That is how you become a FAANG. Not all businesses have that potential however - which is why so many fail. Failure in this case does not necessarily mean the business is not successful - simply not successful enough.
Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy (2008) by unixlikeposting on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @02:17PM (#34431513)
the word "startup" has been a buzz word since ~2012 from my perspective. Ever since I saw established companies start to describe their approach as becoming more "startup-like".
Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy (2008) by fijiaarone on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @02:50PM (#34432044)
Startup means a business that is "starting up". People have become so divorced from reality that words don't even have meaning anymore.
Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy (2008) by wizzwizz4 on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @03:48PM (#34432864)
Computer means a person who "computes". Photo-shop means a shop that "develops photos".
Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy (2008) by tiledjinn on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @01:51PM (#34431106)
Scale and speed of scale. Planning for fast growth.

Most small businesses do not plan to grow very quickly.

Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy (2008) by praptak on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @02:21PM (#34431583)
Also the dual is true - bigger risk of failure is acceptable. Normal business investor typically cares between bankruptcy and having merely poor RoI.

Startup incubators would rather have their 999 startups go broke and the 1000th become "next Google" than have average RoI on all 1000.

Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy (2008) by munificent on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @03:32PM (#34432637)
I'm not a business person, but I always assumed "startup" meant that you take venture capital. That in turn means you now have a financial need to grow to a certain size for the investors to recoup.
Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy (2008) by lightbulbish on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @05:48PM (#34434228)
I like a definition from Steve blank (I think).

A startup is an organisation in search of a scalable, profitable and repeatable business model.

(Scalable is relative but at minimum exponential. Linear growth does not a startup make.)

The above definition has helped me delineate between a tech smb and what one feels is a “startup”.