Wow. I sure am glad a different regime at the time didn't kill 20 million* of its own people in its fight against the bourgeoisie, because that would make the accusation that someone is unfairly well-off truly dangerous!
Fortunately nothing of the sort happened, and the Jewish people are basically the only ones that suffered persecution, and the ideology that resulted in those hypothetical 20 million deaths is so thoroughly vilified that espousing anything even merely adjacent to it in the US results in ostracism, so there's really no fear of a resurgence.
*Not including deaths due to war, famine, or epidemics. And not including China.
> Oh, you do? This whole, "one side said one thing, so me, as a person on the other side, I'm gonna say my version of the thing, and people will have to take it seriously because it's fundamentally the same argument" really misses the point. My grandparents [..]
You used your own persecution to dismiss anti-white propaganda. Instead of using it as a lesson on the danger of propaganda targeting identity groups, you're using it as a cudgel, that because Jews had it worse, whites shouldn't complain when targeted by that same kind of propaganda.
> we were talking about... wait for it... anti-semitism.
No, we were talking about the double standards imposed upon ChatGPT. You want to restrict it to only anti-semitism, because ChatGPT's answers about Jews, in isolation, are defensible. Only when contrasted with the answers given about whites do the hypocrisy and malice become apparent - the same things it and you warned are so dangerous when done to Jews, it gleefully does to whites, and you defend it.
The point was that persecuted groups are actually persecuted. White people aren't a persecuted group. That doesn't become true just because you insist so and twisting my words around wont get you any closer.
>No, we were talking about the double standards imposed upon ChatGPT. You want to restrict it to only anti-semitism, because ChatGPT's answers about Jews, in isolation, are defensible. Only when contrasted with the answers given about whites do the hypocrisy and malice become apparent - the same things it and you warned are so dangerous when done to Jews, it gleefully does to whites, and you defend it.
I'm not restricting it only to jews, I was using Jews as an example of why it does make sense, which the poster I was discussing it with, disagreed over. The disagreement here is that white persecution is something made up by you and the other poster.
Obviously white people arent being put in camps, but to say anti white racism is something I made up is patently absurd. This notion that a particular skin color has to be statistically disadvantaged or has to be historically attacked for their ethniticy in order for someome to be racust against them is insane.
Here is what you are literally saying "you can tell the truth about white people but its wrong to tell the truth about jews because it might turn people into anti semites"
Ironically kind of an anti semetic notion.
>"Obviously white people arent being put in camps, but to say anti white racism is something I made up is patently absurd. This notion that a particular skin color has to be statistically disadvantaged or has to be historically attacked for their ethniticy in order for someome to be racust against them is insane.”
It’s not absurd at all. Because the comparison is being made to anti-semitism and they are so clearly orders of magnitude off from each other that it defies common sense. I’m sure there are some people in the world racist against “white people”. You are disingenuous because you are comparing this to something like anti-semitism which is a centuries old tradition that has been acted out in societies repeatedly and even recently.
>“Here is what you are literally saying "you can tell the truth about white people but its wrong to tell the truth about jews because it might turn people into anti semites"
No, what I’m literally saying is that chatGPT doesn’t want to participate in what is likely to result in anti-semitic uses. That’s the whole point, that anti-semitism is current and popular and that chatGPT would contribute to it. ChatGPT doesn’t think people will magically turn into anti-semites because they will read factual information. ChatGPT is worried that it will end up relaying factual information in a way that will be used by anti-semites to demonstrate their points. This isn’t a difficult concept to understand. The problem isn’t the idea, the problem is how it will be used. ChatGPT, fairly, does not want to be involved in such uses. You had to make up a new kind of racism, that isn’t recognized, in order to rebut this totally fair position of theirs.
>“Dude I dont understand your trip.”
Do you go outside and express this idea? Like do you go up to people unsolicitedly and whine about your made up white racism? I wonder how you think people would react that you think I’m on “such” a trip.
Im just saying that it doesnt make sense that chatgpt would just refuse to tell the truth in this instance because that truth could be used as propoganda. And the same argument can be applied to its statements about white people but since white people are on easy street according to the political zeitgeist it will cough up facts about them all day long regardless of how those facts paint white people.
Which imo is good, a fact is a fact. Just saying the same thing should be true across all races if we want chatgpt to be a legitimately useful tool for anything other than propogandizing.
You are the one offering white prejudice as if it was some sort of reasonable response to why chatGPT doesn't participate in furthering jewish stereotypes... not me. It was your stupid ass response, not mine.
>Im just saying that it doesnt make sense that chatgpt would just refuse to tell the truth in this instance because that truth could be used as propoganda.
Your own question answers itself. It's incredibly sensible why chatGPT doesn't answer those questions. It's not that it doesn't make sense. It makes perfect sense. You might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense.
> And the same argument can be applied to its statements about white people but since white people are on easy street according to the political zeitgeist it will cough up facts about them all day long regardless of how those facts paint white people.
Lol and again you basically equivocate antisemitism to "white prejudice" just immediately after you insisted you did no such thing! The white prejudice you talk about is completely made up. Maybe that's one reason why chatGPT doesn't answer those questions the same way.
In fact white people are basically the only people you can be openly racist towards without being villified. Now this racism is quite tame all things considered sure, but it exists.
Again I did not equivocate anti white racism with anti semetism. But fandamentally they are the same thing : racism.
Still dont understand how my question answered itself.
Also, youve been completely hostile, rude, and unwilling to grant that my arguments are in good faith. This argument will not be productive because you refuse to be amicable. Have a nice life.
>Again I did not equivocate anti white racism with anti semetism. But fandamentally they are the same thing : racism.
You are because you keep comparing them. One of them is real, one of them is imagined in your head. Are white people being put into camps because they are white? No? Then fuck off with your bullshit.
>Also, youve been completely hostile, rude, and unwilling to grant that my arguments are in good faith. This argument will not be productive because you refuse to be amicable. Have a nice life.
Sure, it's because they aren't. Your arguments are not based in good faith. I will repeat that so it's clear.
> This argument will not be productive because you refuse to be amicable
There is no amicability to someone making up the notion that white people are persecuted in any way like jews are and you're a fucking moron for suggesting so.
Unless theres some geopolitical antisemetic event going on right now that I am unaware of, youre a fucking loon.
Those are present tense words homeslice.
>"In fact, I hear anti white propoganda all the time, part of which is the fact that whites are overrepresented in finance."
Oh, you do? This whole, "one side said one thing, so me, as a person on the other side, I'm gonna say my version of the thing, and people will have to take it seriously because it's fundamentally the same argument" really misses the point. My grandparents on my dad's side met in a camp somewhere near siberia during WWII, while starving and fleeing the Nazis. That's the thing that Jewish people are dealing with. Your statements trying to equivocate are just fucking facially stupid and baseless. It's the equivalent of saying "I know you are but what am I?"
>The hypocrisy is insane.
The only thing insane here is how obtuse you are being, on purpose, in order to make a facially stupid and baseless argument, because you are aggrieved by political trends. You can disagree with whether or not chatGPT should produce results as it does. But making up that white people are facing a sort of prejudice equivalent to jews is so fucking embarrassingly stupid I'm short of other words to describe it.