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Re:What the EFF Is Gemini? by tiledjinn on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @10:59AM (#34428337)
Gemini is problematic for me because i love the idea of a simpler web, but it doesn't solve any of its core goals around avoiding effects of advertisement while also being less accessible. There's nothing stopping someone from doing any of the dark pattern stuff in gemini the creator is upset about with the modern web. And there's nothing stopping someone from avoiding all of it with http. It doesn't really serve a good purpose as an application layer protocol.

See also a longer form writeup of similar issues: https://xn--gckvb8fzb.com/gemini-is-solutionism-at-its-worst...

Re:What the EFF Is Gemini? by xcombelle on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @11:21AM (#34428717)
one of the "feature" of ads is that they track you in a cross website way. and as no having cookies & co, gemini makes this job a lot harder for an advertiser.
Re:What the EFF Is Gemini? by Shared404 on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @11:36AM (#34428963)
In addition, I _know_ that if I follow a gemini:// link I'm not gonna have to defend myself against aggressive JS or too much unpleasant design that I can't override, whereas you never have that guarantee on HTTP.
Re:What the EFF Is Gemini? by krferriter on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @01:43PM (#34430985)
You can make an http web browser not store any cookies. This may limit the operation of some existing sites that rely on cookies though because they can't maintain client side session information or other state. Tracking cookies are not inherent to http. http is just the content transfer protocol. I feel like campaigning against tracking cookies within http, and advocating for http browsers to have more stringent handling of 3rd party cookies (like what Firefox offers, but maybe even more) is more likely to get wider adoption than coming up with a complete replacement for http.
Re:What the EFF Is Gemini? by livrem on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @01:45PM (#34431016)
Also most clients do not render images at all or only render images if you click on them. Very few clients support any kind of animations or sounds. Of course someone could still do marketing and post some text-only ads if they want to. If it is too annoying I guess I will not visit that page again. If it is not too annoying I can just ignore it and keep reading. An ad is not automatically a dark pattern.
Re:What the EFF Is Gemini? by akkartik on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @11:16AM (#34428625)
Psst, thanks for all your good work keeping the riffraff out.

My response the last time your post was here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30067400#30068447

Re:What the EFF Is Gemini? by tiledjinn on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @11:27AM (#34428816)
I don't know who you are, and you clearly have no idea who I am. Because you've never responded to me previously.

Don't place words in my mouth I haven't said. Or tell me I'm someone I'm not.

Re:What the EFF Is Gemini? by LesZedCB on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @11:30AM (#34428854)
~~You were the top level comment on that thread.~~

Edit: nvm, got the usernames backwards

Re:What the EFF Is Gemini? by tiledjinn on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @11:31AM (#34428877)
That would be pretty difficult, as this is my first comment chain on HN in around ten years.
Re:What the EFF Is Gemini? by akkartik on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @10:48PM (#34436486)
Oh sorry, I just realized I misread your first comment. I thought you said that blog post was yours.

(I still disagree with your position as my link expresses from earlier.)

Re:What the EFF Is Gemini? by rakoo on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @11:56AM (#34429302)
Good, because gemini doesn't claim to solve the problems of the web. It's a different space, like IRC or emails.
Re:What the EFF Is Gemini? by tedunangst on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @12:25PM (#34429770)
What would be your outline for a protocol that cannot transmit advertising? How would it work?