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Re:The FBI Identified a Tor User by optimalsolver on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @09:46AM (#34412957)
I keep saying this, but the inescapable fact about Tor is that its traffic patterns make you stand out prominently.

Just the fact you’re using it automatically makes you interesting and worthy of a closer look.

All well and good if you’re just maintaining a cookie recipe site on the dark web, but it’s rarely ever that, is it?

Re:The FBI Identified a Tor User by xnorswap on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @09:49AM (#34412998)
Is your intention in repeating that to keep Tor usage below the critical threshold where that remains true?
Re:The FBI Identified a Tor User by noirscape on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @10:25AM (#34413522)
No offense but TOR is just too sluggish to be really useful unless you're a gay pirate assassin (or one of those three components)[0].

It has basically all the drawbacks a VPN has (most sites will distrust you on recaptcha, speed bumps, sometimes a connection gets timed out or dropped) whilst having a shitton of latency on top of that because y'know, it's free. There's always been more people willing to use TOR than the server space needed to prevent overburdening the network (in no small part because running the server space needed usually incurs significant legal risks since congrats, you've now become a target for law enforcement to bust your door down and ask why an IP you own a machine on is being used to upload CP to the clearnet - few people want to deal with this scenario for blatantly obvious reasons).

This isn't really something you can fix, it's just kind of an inherent issue with the protocol.

[0]: https://youtu.be/WVDQEoe6ZWY

Re:The FBI Identified a Tor User by from on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @12:14PM (#34415262)
Have you used Tor recently? I don't find it to be very slow. It's obviously not Gigabit but for just reading web pages it is more than enough. See https://metrics.torproject.org/torperf.png?start=2012-01-01&... - and that recent spike in latency only exists because of some DDos attack (I think).
Re:The FBI Identified a Tor User by noirscape on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @05:50PM (#34420646)
It's about the same it's always been from roughly 2015. I've used it maybe 6 months ago to get around a YouTube geoblock?

What this graph doesn't really unveil but is so crucially important is that webpages have gotten a lot heavier over the years. In the past, you could visit most websites at a half-decent speed with a regular landline connection. Nowadays you need to download several megabytes of content before you can even load a page in properly.

Re:The FBI Identified a Tor User by HackerNCoder on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @02:05PM (#34417118)
> in no small part because running the server space needed usually incurs significant legal risks since congrats, you've now become a target for law enforcement to bust your door down and ask why an IP you own a machine on is being used to upload CP to the clearnet - few people want to deal with this scenario for blatantly obvious reasons

It only does if you set it up as an exit node.

Re:The FBI Identified a Tor User by likpok on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @09:58AM (#34413135)
Tor has a lot of pretty gnarly trade offs that will naturally keep usage low outside of people who really need it. The latency is nontrivial, exit nodes are congested and lots of sites don’t want to deal with Tor because so much abuse flows through it. Tor definitely has a similar problem to like voat or gab: a community with a strict no-witch-burning philosophy ends up filled with witches.
Re:The FBI Identified a Tor User by wrycoder on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @10:03AM (#34413216)
Yeah, I think the FSF/EFF suggestion is for people to use TOR as much as possible. But that’s completely impractical day to day from my POV.

I recollect a case a few years ago, where they tracked a guy down on a campus through traffic analysis in a fairly quiet environment Torwise, and both endpoints were on the campus.

Re:The FBI Identified a Tor User by DougN7 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @09:59AM (#34413142)
Realistically, what would need to happen for it to not be the case? How many millions or billions of people would have to use it before the government would give up and stop looking at you if you use it?
Re:The FBI Identified a Tor User by noirscape on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @10:28AM (#34413574)
In order for that to happen you first need to convince people to either accept the hit in connection speed (which is terrible over TOR) or you need to significantly increase the amount of nodes on the network, the latter of which isn't going to happen because of the legal risks, which act as a chilling effect.
Re:The FBI Identified a Tor User by notyourwork on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @09:57AM (#34413116)
I interpret op to be suggesting Tor isn’t as anonymous of one who conducts illicit activity would assume. That seems to be the trend time and time again.
Re:The FBI Identified a Tor User by 0xblood on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @09:56AM (#34413101)
none of your business what dark web cookie recipe websites I maintain
Re:The FBI Identified a Tor User by warinukraine on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @09:57AM (#34413120)
I was sure I had read this comment before.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33898101

Re:The FBI Identified a Tor User by eat on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @02:54PM (#34417825)
Perhaps that's why the person you're replying to prefaced their comment with:

> I keep saying this, but...

Re:The FBI Identified a Tor User by warinukraine on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @06:38PM (#34421118)
Yours must be the most redundant comment on HN ever.

Mine isn't redundant, note. Just because he keeps saying, doesn't mean he's posting about it on HN, and if he does doesn't mean he's doing so verbatim, which I showed.

Re:The FBI Identified a Tor User by Der_Einzige on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @06:02PM (#34420768)
The fact that the three letters do more than spying on possible threats/terrorists, in particular, their practice for trying to cultivate future "agents of change" should send chills down the spine of any well paid and well educated tech workers.

I do believe that most people on HN qualify as "interesting" to these forces.