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Re:Apple won’t let you use an Apple TV unless you have anoth... by zikduruqe on Monday January 16, 2023 @05:45PM (#34406517)
This.

I seldom, if ever, carry my iPhone outside my house. My Apple Watch with cellular is enough for internet connectivity when away from home.

In my perfect world, I could provision my Apple Watch as a standalone device, and I could get a MacBook with an eSIM.

Re:Apple won’t let you use an Apple TV unless you have anoth... by TillE on Monday January 16, 2023 @05:57PM (#34406638)
> I seldom, if ever, carry my iPhone outside my house.

This is such an extreme outlier behavior, nobody is designing products around it. Pretty much everyone who owns a smartphone carries it around everywhere, because why not.

Re:Apple won’t let you use an Apple TV unless you have anoth... by jabbany on Monday January 16, 2023 @06:11PM (#34406790)
Not OP but I know quite a few people who really do not like to carry their phone around.

I couldn't understand this for the longest time until I asked my sister, who kept handing her phone to me to hold on to while on a family trip, about this one day. Apparently, a lot of women's clothing doesn't have "usable" pockets (they're tiny or fake...)! And with the size of modern phones, it's actually often quite a nuisance to carry around a phone.

While this may not be OP's situation, I would guess this might be one reason for the proliferation of cellular-enabled smart watches...

Re:Apple won’t let you use an Apple TV unless you have anoth... by enos_feedler on Monday January 16, 2023 @05:48PM (#34406547)
I think macbook with eSIM could land once the OS has good controls over the network usage. Carriers aren’t gonna let those things run wild
Re:Apple won’t let you use an Apple TV unless you have anoth... by mcculley on Monday January 16, 2023 @05:51PM (#34406578)
Just bill me by bandwidth used. It is ridiculous that one cannot buy a MacBook Pro with a cell modem. I fight with tethering at least once a week.
Re:Apple won’t let you use an Apple TV unless you have anoth... by ClumsyPilot on Monday January 16, 2023 @06:17PM (#34406860)
i had a windows laptop with inbuilt 4G modem, was great fpr business travel. Had better reception than a phone.

Many business people use mac and would love this. Really weired

Re:Apple won’t let you use an Apple TV unless you have anoth... by enos_feedler on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @11:10AM (#34414264)
I think its less about money and more about network capacity and also ensuring your average mac user can leave it on without running up a surprise bill. Until users have good control with sane defaults it wont happen
Re:Apple won’t let you use an Apple TV unless you have anoth... by mcculley on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @11:23AM (#34414457)
You can buy a Dell with a cell modem. It’s more likely about the patent/royalty situation with Qualcomm. If Apple starts making their own cell modems, they will start putting them in laptops.
Re:Apple won’t let you use an Apple TV unless you have anoth... by enos_feedler on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @09:52PM (#34422882)
Dell also cares less about users sim card bills. Apple is the kind of company that just wants it to be done right.
Re:Apple won’t let you use an Apple TV unless you have anoth... by mcculley on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @07:58PM (#34435378)
I remain unconvinced that it has anything to do with Apple thinking about the user’s mobile data bill. Watch what happens when Apple is no longer entangled with Qualcomm royalties.

Though I do like the idea that this is why tethering to my iPhone is so flaky. It isn’t due to bugs, it is because Apple cares about my mobile data bill!

Re:Apple won’t let you use an Apple TV unless you have anoth... by zikduruqe on Monday January 16, 2023 @05:51PM (#34406573)
Yep. I am very, intimately familiar with the inner workings of carriers. But one can dream.