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Re:HBO Max’s Great Looney Tunes Purge by DocTomoe on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:02AM (#34398109)
> And by African, I mean the blackface depiction with the white lips that is reminiscent of old Al Jolson films.

Not trying to excuse anything, but I wonder how much this kind of depiction was an artefact of animation/video production in a black-and-white or early-colour era, much like how old cartoon animals with black fur often wear white gloves, to give hands/mouths some contrast and make movement visible.

Arguably, even "modern" cameras are apparently not designed with noncaucasian skintones in mind, something interest groups do not tire to bring up.

Re:HBO Max’s Great Looney Tunes Purge by defrost on Monday January 16, 2023 @03:12AM (#34398173)
> I wonder how much this kind of depiction was an artefact of animation/video production in a black-and-white or early-colour era

Zero. Nada, Nothing.

The history of blackface begins with stage and musical performances "aping" actual black musicians and banjo players [1].

There wasn't a lot of film work happening in 1848 . . .

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minstrel_show

Re:HBO Max’s Great Looney Tunes Purge by hef19898 on Monday January 16, 2023 @04:00AM (#34398505)
Black Face is older then cameras. And as far as modern cameras go, with my limited experience in digital photo post processing, I'd say that the skin tone issue might have something to do with White Balancing. This is tricky in landscapes already, because not everybody carries normal grey cards with them (some people do apparently). And I know from people that shoot a lot more portraits that getting skin tones is always tricky.

Not saying it isn't related to cameras, so. But if it is, I'd suspect it to be much more of an issue with in-camera created JPEGs, RAW files don't do white balancing (at least all my Nikons don't). I have zero clue how dedicated video cameras work, so...

Re:HBO Max’s Great Looney Tunes Purge by Terretta on Monday January 16, 2023 @09:53AM (#34401212)
There's a ton of cartoons from the era clearly blackface.

However, to your point, even recent photographs in color and black and white depict the tonal contrast one could imagine inspiring the cartoon character in question:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3e50441087256791f079ff...

https://get.pxhere.com/photo/black-and-white-people-white-ph...

Until you get to the name Inki... tips their hand a bit.

Re:HBO Max’s Great Looney Tunes Purge by Gordonjcp on Monday January 16, 2023 @06:23PM (#34406946)
> Arguably, even "modern" cameras are apparently not designed with noncaucasian skintones in mind, something interest groups do not tire to bring up.

That doesn't make a lot of sense. Can you give an example of why you think that?

Re:HBO Max’s Great Looney Tunes Purge by robotresearcher on Monday January 16, 2023 @08:48PM (#34408191)
Not so long ago, film processes and machines were optimized and calibrated for reference images of only white faces[1]. Darker-skinned people often found their skin tones were badly reproduced. The analogous thing happened again in digital processes, up to and including AI image processing trained on datasets where white skin is overrepresented. The industry's awareness of this issue is now pretty high. I don't know if the issue is solved in practice on current-gen cameras/phones/software or not. Anyone have latest info?

[1] https://www.npr.org/2014/11/13/363517842/for-decades-kodak-s...

Re:HBO Max’s Great Looney Tunes Purge by Gordonjcp on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:33AM (#34410663)
That's interesting, I hadn't really thought of it that way.

I wonder if that's why the first colour grading exercise in the training material for BMD DaVinci Resolve is an excerpt from a documentary about rhinos, where you need to balance a reasonably clean shot of a white woman, a gorgeous but fairly tricky shot of a black man (in profile, strong sunlight on his nose, eyes and cheek, rest in deep shadow), and a couple of mid and long shots of black gamekeepers walking around.

There's a lot to get right and a lot to get wrong, and you can end up making everyone look a pretty sickly colour.