Seems like a bad argument. They could simply be lieing, withholding information. And we should expect precisely that if there was a conspiracy.
There's no ledge for that slippery slope. Everyone could be telling you lies. You could be living the Trumann show. Your dentist might be implementing mind control devices in your teeth while you're asleep. Lizard people might be running the Illuminati.
At some point, you need to find a way to live with a reasonable amount of uncertainty.
2. (derogatory, political jargon) One who is seen to unwittingly support a malignant cause through their 'naive' attempts to be a force for good.
I have usually viewed those conspiracy theories as an attempt to impugn their own (and our own) government with ill intent. It's agitprop. Like the opposite of beer goggles, it only sees anger and hatred and ill-will. Aesop's Fables already tell us that any old excuse will do, no matter how silly.
It's short form for wookie. (star wars, chewbaca) Basically came out of the jamband scene. If you've ever been to a music festival, and seen the dreadlocked folks, that party way to hard. That's a wook.
One of my fav insta meme accounts -- you'll get the idea. - https://www.instagram.com/cbgtwh/
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Anyway, yes, hippies have been talking about chem trails for years. While you can call it a 'conspiracy theory'. Reality is -- they are doing weather modification, and have been for years. Maybe it's a matter of semantics for you. But the reality is, they are releasing chemicals (silver iodide), via aircraft, into the atmosphere. That's a fact.
As to claims of malfeasance. Unknown. I myself, and perhaps your 'wook' friends, have a problem with dropping chemicals from aircraft on unsuspecting populations. Who knows what the long term health impacts of that are. Probably some of that school of thought goes back to a time when they were using DDT on mosquitos. That turned out real well.
I appreciate your comment.
These projects seems very much like every other shitty thing that has been done around here, ranging from killing off predator populations to residential schools. Which is why I have very little opinion- the gov will do what they will do, and I will never have enough money to change that balance or enough tolerance for prison to do much directly.
However, I don't agree that it's just semantics to say that these projects are not "chemtrails".
Part of what I see in a larger group of people (for whom I am very fond) is a willingness to abandon most material nuance in their understanding of the world. In this case, specifically, it seems like a pretty normal case where the government is doing something with no regard for anything other than money.
That's not, specifically, what people are talking about when they are talking about chemtrails, and that is important to me.
Because the whole "chemtrials" discussion is a very handy metaphor about something that really is true:
the folks who own this place undertake vast technological projects with no regard for our well being.
However, since that's a metaphor and can be detached from reality, the responses to it can become immaterial and ineffective.
Like, great, maybe we can all go sit in energy vortexes in Sedona and examine our starseed bodies so we can astrally project into a dimension where we can directly battle the annunaki because the lizard people are trying to mind control the NPCs.
Or we can go levitate the pentagon or whatever people used to do for fun back int he day.
To me the specifics of these things matter because the responses vary based on how we understand the cause.
The fact that the government feels like they hold all the cards means that they are just up front about what they are doing and have no problem being violent to anyone who directly opposes those projects.
So it's hard enough to mount a effective material response to that situation without also having to deal with a bunch of misunderstandings of the world or going to prison for blowing up dams or burning down ski resorts.
Anyhow, sorry for the rant. I hope I'm just wrong and that all my new age friends really can manifest 5D consciousness and that Desert really is a wrong-headed bit of ficiton.
My response most of the time is to just shrug, and be like government's gonna government. Most of the folks in the scene that I've met that are pretty far out, mean well, but perhaps aren't the best at logically explaining their views.
Others I think have probably opted out, or 'dropped out' as 'ol tim leary would suggest. Without the ability to materially affect change, I think folks turn toward things they can control. Such as expanding their consciousness, and other forms of magical thought.
I've managed to keep one foot in both worlds. (the squares, and the wooks) Because, life is too interesting not to. Keep your feet on the ground and your head in the clouds as they say.
I mean, hey, even the government itself was very interested in the nature of consciousness. Even weaponizing it for intelligence purposes. Have a look through the CIA's declassified STARGATE program:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/collection/stargate
So, perhaps levitating the pentagon, or meditating in vortex's isn't totally out of the question. Who am I to judge? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
One one level, I wish that folks would quit manifesting my ipad charger as a heaven sent gift for their iphones when I am just trying to run sound from that under-charged ipad at some kind of conscious dance festival.
On another level, I'm just glad there are people out there who still think that there's stuff which could be done.
My hope is that instead of magical thought, we can just be kind and caring enough locally for people we know that it'll see folks through because that's a real thing that we do control.
Now you fully accept the fact that what they were claiming is true, but because you don't care for their vocabulary they are still conspiracy theorists....
This is kind of silly. What is a trail of chemicals left behind an airplane? They chose to say "chemtrail".
Don't you see how that is kind of upside down?
Why would such a large group of people chose not to investigate the public record? Those same people are commonplace idiots, I suppose. They have not been informed by their echochambers that these things are occurring and so the idea, to them, is crazy conspiracy. Now, those same idiots chose semantic debate about the use of some phrase or word choice instead of acknowledging their lack of awareness.
I've had a conversation several times where the other interlocutor has used these programs have been used to justify a belief in "chem trails".
It's a really bad conversational cycle.
me: "Chemtrails aren't real"
wook: "yeah but they are doing weather modification"
me: "but a) it's not a consipracy because they publish explicitly what they are doing and b) weather modification programs aren't 'chemtrails'"
wook: "yeah but they are doing weather modification"
I love my friends, but yeesh.