All feelings, drug induced, or not aren't really there. None of it is real.

Truth is just an expression. I use it in the same light as "profoundness".

I understand the stigma associated with the drug. But the emotions generated by the drugs themselves are in reality actualized by the brain and that actualization cannot be invalidated. It is worth it to ask, think and wonder about this actualization even when you have no plans around taking the drugs yourself.

heroine and Meth are not hallucinogenic drugs. I have never taken MDMA, but I did try DMT and psiloscybin. These experiences were profound. Further, the risk is almost zero. DMT is anti-addictive. I took it few times, and I don't ever want to repeat it

The topic at hand here is not hallucinogenic drugs. MDMA is not hallucinogenic.

The topic at hand is centered around drugs that generate pleasure. You're a little left field with hallucinogenic drugs. I'm sure there's some sort of "profoundness" there as well but it's a different topic.

Pure MDMA is most certainly hallucinogenic...

im not sure minor visuals count, ive done 250mg+ pure in one setting and it was at best minor.

The best MDMA I ever had (I had plenty) was in Hong Kong, full on hallucinations. Good MDMA, visuals, no question about it.

Use MDMA regularly when I can afford it, never had hallucinations. Don't know of anyone who's used it and hallucinated either.

This.

It's like saying the pleasure you feel when you eat a food you like isn't real.

Or the feelings you feel when someone kisses you aren't real.

Drawing arbitrary lines around what is real feeling based on the stimuli is very strange and usually driven by ignorance or fear.

If you made a drug that would make you feel as if you were kissing, you sensation of kissing would not be true, as there would be no kissing going on.

Same goes for bonding, closeness and so on. You just tricked your brain into hallucinating emotional responses for things that are not there.

It is actually more like salt.

Salt enhances the flavour of food, MDMA enhances the experience that's already there.

It doesn't just invent the feelings, instead amplifies the feelings you have.

Is salt just fake taste?

I partly agree and partly disagree.

If you think MDMA is giving you a feeling of deep friendship with a perfect stranger, then you might be hallucinating the feeling of a long and strong relationship.

However, that's not really the feeling you're getting on molly. It's more recognizing the preciousness of our shared humanity. If done with a friend or a lover, this in itself is a genuine bonding experience. If done with a stranger, you're not expecting anything more after the experience, but it still feels valuable.

Many people say something like this about drugs, but it does not seem philosophically or logically sound to me. When you have coffee in the morning and have some increased mood from it does that make the whole day invalid? When you go a run and you body produces enjoyable neurochemicals in your brain, just like taking a drug, is that real? All experiences are just as real and valid regardless of what contributed to creating the experience - if you think otherwise then it seems very hard to justify such an opinion with consistent and sound logic

Plot twist: we are constantly constructing our feelings from emotionless data. If a drug changes the emotions you generate from data, that's no less valid.

would you say the same to a junkie that has soiled himself and is riding on cloud 9?