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Re:Twitter API appears to be down, breaking Tweetbot and thi... by highwaylights on Friday January 13, 2023 @03:28AM (#34365255)
Half an order of magnitude bigger, at most.

A regional outage of that size is embarrassing whatever way you slice it.

Leaving all that aside, he’s driving a massive subset of his users away at a time when he really needs all the users he can get.

You can spin this however you like, this is not a good situation for him. He’s said as much outright and implied it repeatedly.

Since this time last year he’s said that both Twitter and SpaceX are likely months from bankruptcy, and Tesla has been flat out told FSD, the feature they’ve been selling all their cars based on (which he has said himself the company is worthless without), just isn’t happening.

This is dire for him.

Re:Twitter API appears to be down, breaking Tweetbot and thi... by philliphaydon on Friday January 13, 2023 @03:42AM (#34365338)
> Since this time last year he’s said that both Twitter and SpaceX are likely months from bankruptcy, and Tesla has been flat out told FSD, the feature they’ve been selling all their cars based on (which he has said himself the company is worthless without), just isn’t happening.

As much as I hope Elon loses everthing. This isn't even related to downtime of Twitter. Volentarly shutting down twitter due to it being bankrupt is not the same as it falling over and having outages.

So I'm really not trying to spin anything. You're trying to take something unrelated and use it as justification as to why big bad billionaire do bad.

Re:Twitter API appears to be down, breaking Tweetbot and thi... by highwaylights on Friday January 13, 2023 @04:38AM (#34365703)
This is a fair comment, I'll clarify why I mentioned that.

Bringing up Tesla and SpaceX was only to point out that he doesn't really have any way to bail out bad Twitter decisions despite it being a (relatively) smaller company. There's nowhere to pull extra finances from to bail this out, and it's known he already went into debt to make the purchase.

I really don't want him to lose anything. I'd like him to go back in time to when he first installed Twitter on his phone and slap the thing out of his own hand and scream "NO! THAT'S A BAD ELON!"

Re:Twitter API appears to be down, breaking Tweetbot and thi... by philliphaydon on Friday January 13, 2023 @06:15AM (#34366319)
In that case I agree.

I can assume one of the primary reasons for cutting staff and offices is to reduce costs and hopefully get cash flow positive asap even if it’s $1 positive. That puts him in a better position to stop incurring debt.

Re:Twitter API appears to be down, breaking Tweetbot and thi... by flerchin on Friday January 13, 2023 @09:07AM (#34367906)
Maybe spray him with a water bottle to really discourage the behavior.
Re:Twitter API appears to be down, breaking Tweetbot and thi... by highwaylights on Friday January 13, 2023 @10:51AM (#34369427)
All the money in the world and what he really needed was a close family member to wave a rolled up newspaper at him disapprovingly.
Re:Twitter API appears to be down, breaking Tweetbot and thi... by iainmerrick on Friday January 13, 2023 @03:55AM (#34365424)
Not to disagree with your general point, I just want to nitpick this:

Half an order of magnitude bigger, at most

I think you're overestimating Twitter and underestimating Facebook.

I don't know the best source for official stats, but a quick google suggests Twitter is ~300M users and Facebook is ~3B, so one order of magnitude.

And of course the new Twitter CEO used the interesting bargaining tactic of talking down his own purchase by implying many of those 300M users are bots... Joking aside, you could argue that very few of those 3B Facebook users are active, and you'd be right; but exactly the same can be said of Twitter and there's no good reason to think the ratio is any better or worse there.

Re:Twitter API appears to be down, breaking Tweetbot and thi... by mschuster91 on Friday January 13, 2023 @05:20AM (#34365952)
> Since this time last year he’s said that both Twitter and SpaceX are likely months from bankruptcy

At least in the case of SpaceX the US government will more likely than not step in and nationalize them out of national security requirements.

Re:Twitter API appears to be down, breaking Tweetbot and thi... by hef19898 on Friday January 13, 2023 @06:03AM (#34366230)
It always good to have fallback solution, isn't it?
Re:Twitter API appears to be down, breaking Tweetbot and thi... by WJW on Friday January 13, 2023 @07:59AM (#34367098)
That's nice for the US space industry, but won't help Elon in the slightest with his money problems.
Re:Twitter API appears to be down, breaking Tweetbot and thi... by kortilla on Friday January 13, 2023 @05:28AM (#34366005)
>SpaceX are likely months from bankruptcy

Companies months from bankruptcy don’t get to take a higher valuation in a down market: https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2023/01/03/elon-musks-space...

Re:Twitter API appears to be down, breaking Tweetbot and thi... by rvnx on Friday January 13, 2023 @08:12AM (#34367200)
SpaceX is a great company, worth investing into, because of their ISP + phone telco business (lot of people are ready to pay a high price for that) and a very difficult space technology to reproduce, nobody is going to compete soon. Twitter is different, it's more like MySpace.
Re:Twitter API appears to be down, breaking Tweetbot and thi... by camjohnson26 on Friday January 13, 2023 @09:26AM (#34368147)
StarLink isn’t profitable, so that’s the kiss of death in a down market. Doesn’t matter how good the product is or how much people will pay if the replacement satellites to keep it running cost more.
Re:Twitter API appears to be down, breaking Tweetbot and thi... by marcosdumay on Friday January 13, 2023 @11:55AM (#34370444)
StarLink is the right out of the book case for VC investment. One should expect several years before it gets profitable, and with very large initial investment. It's also very difficult to replicate, so whatever market there is there is a high likelihood for it to capture.

That means that it should be judged like a startup. Did it demonstrate a market? If so, it's valuable, if not, it's not. Current cash flow isn't very relevant.

Re:Twitter API appears to be down, breaking Tweetbot and thi... by rlt on Saturday January 14, 2023 @10:25PM (#34386464)
Starlink is likely roughly break even launching on Falcon 9. The latest $137B valuation is likely predicated on Starship working as expected.
Re:Twitter API appears to be down, breaking Tweetbot and thi... by simiones on Friday January 13, 2023 @08:35AM (#34367426)
Still, when the president of a company tells that to his employees, you can't completely ignore his words, even if it's Elon Musk.