This is why I don't give you a job

Re:This is why I don't give you a job by _delirium on Saturday January 07, 2012 @01:01AM (#3436338)

Things vary on many axes, though. I'm pretty sure that, in Silicon Valley, if you came out and said you would never hire a woman or an old person, you would be fired immediately and blackballed from managerial positions for life (or if you were the owner, sued into oblivion). Meanwhile, in Hungary, I'm going to guess Jakab Andor keeps his job and will be free to hire or not hire who he likes--- because Hungary presumably doesn't take antidiscrimination laws as seriously as the US does.

(Also, there's much less corruption in the US, which is probably the key difference.)

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Re:This is why I don't give you a job by fraserharris on Saturday January 07, 2012 @01:34AM (#3436395)

Just because you can't say it, doesn't mean its not in the back of every hiring managers mind. I've certainly heard people refer to it privately.

Anything that increases the base costs of starting a business, such as these, will reduce entrepreneurship.

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Re:This is why I don't give you a job by maaku on Saturday January 07, 2012 @02:50AM (#3436514)

He's saying it in the context of pointing out problems and inefficiencies of the system. I interpreted it as "these laws designed to protect women and the elderly are in fact incentivising bad behavior by employers, and thereby doing them harm, not good."

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Re:This is why I don't give you a job by walkon on Saturday January 07, 2012 @02:34AM (#3436503)

Actually he says he wouldn't hire anyone, because he won't be attempting startups in the first place. You shouldn't get in trouble for your hiring policies when it is simply: "I don't have employees."

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Re:This is why I don't give you a job by jodrellblank on Saturday January 07, 2012 @01:46AM (#3436414)

He didn't say he would never hire a woman or an old person, he said he wouldn't hire a woman or an old person in the context of a startup.

He might be a HR manager in a larger company with good resources, happily hiring all kinds of people for all we know.

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Re:This is why I don't give you a job by andorjakab on Saturday January 07, 2012 @01:54PM (#3437734)

I agree, that this problem is the most obvious with small companies. But I think that even on the national scales these regulations harm those, whom they aim to protect. It's a wrong concept to treat the employer and employee like enemies. The good concepts would be win-win-win scenarios. For example, goverments should REDUCE the cost of hiring the handicapped instead of forcing companies to hire them.

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Re:This is why I don't give you a job by jodrellblank on Sunday January 08, 2012 @01:20AM (#3439019)

A government can't say "no prenancy until you have saved enough to raise your child without working", it's unenforcable.

If you force companies to pay for women being pregnant and raising children, companies hurt. If you force companies not to pay, women hurt because pregnancy means instant unemployment and loss of income. If government pays, everyone pays in taxes even startups and people with no children (but at least the cost is spread widely). If nobody pays and it's left to charity, women and children live in poverty and suffer from that.

In individual cases, a couple can choose when to have children such that they can win no matter the situation, by deciding to save, or arrange to live on one income, etc. But I don't see any win-win scenarios that can be enforced from outside by legislation. Can you?

For example, goverments should REDUCE the cost of hiring the handicapped instead of forcing companies to hire them.

How could they do that (without charging you taxes to pay for it)?

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Re:This is why I don't give you a job by andorjakab on Sunday January 08, 2012 @04:12AM (#3439221)

"How could they do that (without charging you taxes to pay for it)?"

Easy.

Let's say, in my country €760 NET is a very good salary. If I advertise the job, I get thousands of people to choose from. Some of them will be handicapped. Let's say there is a goverment regulations, that employing the handicapped is duty-free, like cigarettes at the airports. Now I have two options. I either choose somebody who isn't duty-free, and pay €1572 (the empoyee still gets only €760), or, if I'm LUCKY, I will find a somebody suitable for the job among the handicapped persons, and I can choose him or her for the job. That way I've cut my employment costs two half, without paying ANY taxes. It's a nobrainer, even if I have to make some changes in my office to accomodate it for the duty-free person. Because I can slash my employment costs into half on the long run, without paying 1 cent less Salary than to everybody else. And the state? It's a win-win-win. Now they have a lot less people to worry about.

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Re:This is why I don't give you a job by kls on Saturday January 07, 2012 @10:32AM (#3437187)

if you came out and said you would never hire a woman or an old person, you would be fired immediately and blackballed from managerial positions for life

I took it as an example of why he won't hire anyone and why he won't even sell his apartment and start a venture. As such he would have no company to represent in saying those things. Further if you never hired anyone, I am pretty sure you could state your reasons in America and not run afoul of legislation. Now if you openly stated such and then hired only 25-50 yr old males, sure you are asking for it and are going to get it.

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