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Re:The disappearance of the hit-driven business model by mschuster91 on Thursday January 12, 2023 @04:18AM (#34351053)
> and now streaming and internet have democratized access and content creation

It's the other way around - they have more monopolized (or rather, oligopolized) the content creation and distribution aspect. Say you're an independent producer... small "arthouse"-style cinemas have closed down shop everywhere because it simply isn't worth it to run them any more without serious financial assistance, which means you essentially have to put your movie up on Youtube/Vimeo/whatever and completely lose out on income besides the assistance money from moviemaker funds, crowdfunding, government facilities and rich sponsors.

Alternatively, you focus on monetization via Netflix - but unless you are already well-known enough that your name will get your movie into Netflix anyway, you have to do that upfront because of Netflix' technical requirements [1], so you lose out on quite a bit of artistic freedom, not to mention the "Netflix look" aka color grading [2].

[1] https://partnerhelp.netflixstudios.com/hc/en-us/articles/360...

[2] https://www.vice.com/en/article/ake3j5/why-does-everything-o...

Re:The disappearance of the hit-driven business model by andirk on Thursday January 12, 2023 @04:40AM (#34351234)
First I saw of constant over-saturation was MTV shows where people fight in a house and talk to the camera. I'd walk by my college roommates' rooms and the neon colors were always BEAMING! Also emotion-leading music every scene. It often means the audience needs hand-holding. Netflix does this plus horrible storylines and characters.

I've seen some good gems but most feels like it was made in a weekend with a title and a thumbnail that let's you know the entire movie. Example: "3 Years", thumbnail is a couple's faces looking not so sure.

Re:The disappearance of the hit-driven business model by abetusk on Thursday January 12, 2023 @04:38AM (#34351207)
I might be wrong, I'm not well versed in this area, but it'd be nice to have some data that backs up claims (either yours or mine).

The first thing is that making a living off of art is hard, so we're really talking about the difficulty pre adoption of widespread streaming services vs. post widespread adoption of streaming services (I guess 2015 or so).

YouTube is a different model but there are many people making a living from producing content. As an extreme example, Mr. Beast is a triple digit millionaire [0].

I've heard anecdotally that getting series made on Netflix, especially if you're a star is (or at least was) easier than getting a green-lit for movie funding.

[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/chloesorvino/2022/11/30/could-m...

Re:The disappearance of the hit-driven business model by mschuster91 on Thursday January 12, 2023 @05:09AM (#34351462)
At least for cinema closures in the US, there's tons of reports from the early covid days until a few days ago [1][2][3]. In Germany, the situation is just as bad - about 70% of cinemas do not have money left anymore for (sometimes sorely needed) renovations or equipment upgrades [4].

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/29/business/media/pandemic-s...

[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-10/closed-mo...

[3] https://www.sharesmagazine.co.uk/news/shares/cineworld-hits-...

[4] https://www.ndr.de/kultur/film/Studie-zum-Kinomarkt-Situatio...

Re:The disappearance of the hit-driven business model by abetusk on Thursday January 12, 2023 @05:18AM (#34351526)
I guess I wasn't clear. I'm talking about the ability of artists to get funded and the ability to make a living off of it. Maybe also the quality and quantity of new movies or shows.

My belief is that it's easier now than ever to make a movie or TV show by getting a deal with a streaming service. This is in comparison to making a living from the industry that the post is talking about ("hits-based" movie making).

Record stores went out of business when vinyl was replaced by cassettes. Video rental went out of business during the early days of the internet. Brick and mortar music stores declined with the availability of mp3s online. Book stores declined in popularity with the rise of Amazon. So, too, are cinemas declining with the offering of on-demand movies and TV.

I guess your assumption is that small art houses are the drivers of weird, niche culture? I would disagree. The availability of platforms that get media in front of more peoples eyes and the lowering cost of creating and distributing that media are what I would guess as the main benefit of producing weird, niche media.

I love cinemas but the world changes and if their model only exists when the movie industry has a stranglehold on the distribution, then, as much as I hate to see them go, they're just not viable anymore.

Re:The disappearance of the hit-driven business model by HWR_14 on Thursday January 12, 2023 @09:45AM (#34354188)
I have no idea why "you have to decide if you plan to stream as your distribution, and if so meet their technical guidelines, before filming" is an issue. Can you explain why that's bad?
Re:The disappearance of the hit-driven business model by PuppyTailWags on Thursday January 12, 2023 @10:46AM (#34355229)
It makes sense to me that it is an issue if you're a small arthouse, aka you're wanting to do weird stuff that probably violates some technical guideline somewhere. It's like an aggressive auto-formatting on a codebase. Sometimes you do want to break the format because it's more legible in one specific thing. It's fine most of the time, but a small arthouse is very likely trying to be the exception, not the rule. They want to be exceptional.