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Re:The Collapse of U.S. Healthcare – The Perspective of a Pr... by Der_Einzige on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @11:40PM (#34349290)
It will also massively hurt global drug and medical research.

We are the leader in it partly because we pay these exhortation prices when the rest of the developed world simply won't play that kind of game.

I'm okay with biting that bullet, and taking a global reduction of health research by some double digit percent for awhile, but that's a serious unintended consequence of single payer.

I'm a Bernie voter who supports single payer, but it's not sunshine and roses everywhere, and crooked capitalism really does do some "not bad" things for us.

Re:The Collapse of U.S. Healthcare – The Perspective of a Pr... by cudgy on Thursday January 12, 2023 @09:21AM (#34353834)
> It will also massively hurt global drug and medical research.

This may not be the case, since much research is subsidized by the government and educational funding providing labs that train the scientists the pharmaceutical companies utilize. Single-payer may result in lower costs and therefore more money for support of research and laboratories. Also, pharmaceutical companies would not need to spend vast amounts for marketing their drugs direct to consumers.

Re:The Collapse of U.S. Healthcare – The Perspective of a Pr... by nradov on Thursday January 12, 2023 @01:18PM (#34358028)
The government subsidizes much of the basic research needed to identify candidate drugs. However, private companies usually pay for the human trials necessary to bring new drugs to market. A stage-3 clinical trial can cost >$1B with no guarantee of success. It's a huge financial risk.

In theory we could nationalize the whole industry, and let government bureaucrats decide which clinical trials to fund. I'm skeptical whether that would produce better results. Government employees with no skin in the game have a poor record of picking winners.

Re:The Collapse of U.S. Healthcare – The Perspective of a Pr... by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK on Thursday January 12, 2023 @01:47PM (#34358476)
I don't know, many of the major drugs, like penicillin, insulin, thorazine, birth control etc were developed without those hurdles, and not in the USA. But US gave us Viagra)
Re:The Collapse of U.S. Healthcare – The Perspective of a Pr... by amf12 on Sunday January 15, 2023 @09:45PM (#34396213)
> It will also massively hurt global drug and medical research.

I doubt it would. Private drug companies would still exist and charge the same money regardless of whether the insurance is paying for it or "the single payer system".