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Re:Genders.wtf by wpietri on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @01:07PM (#34341996)
> This is a definition of racism

It is the one anti-racists are using, so if one is trying to understand the term, that's the right place to start.

I get that people disagree both on whether it should be ended and if so, what the right tactics are. My goal here is not to have that incredibly deep and nuanced conversation, but just to clear up this particular point.

Re:Genders.wtf by gorwell on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @02:31PM (#34343327)
To actually clear this up:

Racists are calling themselves anti-racist.

It's branding, not an actual descriptor. It's an effective political technique to present it as the opposite.

Re:Genders.wtf by gameman144 on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @03:02PM (#34343809)
> It is the one anti-racists are using, so if one is trying to understand the term, that's the right place to start.

Yeah totally agreed, it's important to call out the definitions of terms used in any context.

The main thrust of my post was similarly to point out that if you're using definition X, you may justify some action which doesn't conform to definition Y.

In the same vein as "Patriot Act" or "People's Republic", good branding on the part of "anti-racism" can help nip naysayers in the bud. (Are you anti-patriot? Are you against the people or democracy? Are you pro-racist?)

Knowing who means what when they use terms, and being willing to differ from someone else's definition clearly, is pretty much the only way I know of to have these deep conversations with civility.

Re:Genders.wtf by wpietri on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @07:42PM (#34347421)
For sure. And I think it's important to note that some of those definitions of racism are from people who others would see as beneficiaries of the system that the latter group sees as racist. That is to say, it shouldn't be surprising that as the power of whites declines, the definitions of racism they might prefer are coming under challenge.

Or in your terms of branding, it shouldn't be a shock that the dominant racial group would have established a definition of "racism" that is one more convenient to them than to the dominated groups, because that branding serves to prevent challenges to their power.

Re:Genders.wtf by gameman144 on Thursday January 12, 2023 @01:53PM (#34358572)
Totally agreed, every party in this whole debate definitely conforms to the idea that everyone's the protagonist in their own story.
Re:Genders.wtf by raxxorraxor on Monday January 16, 2023 @08:49AM (#34400599)
Of course. In the same way as some people may use a definition that justifies discrimination.