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Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by foepys on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @01:07AM (#34335553)
In Germany (where this system is already available) Mercedes takes liability and the system gives the driver a 10 second advanced warning before they have to take over.

It's also only available on certain stretches of the Autobahn. If the system allows you to enable it, you can use it. The German law allows autonomous driving up to 130 km/h although Mercedes currently only allows their system to work up to 60 km/h.

Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @01:37AM (#34335763)
> Mercedes takes liability

This has to be the standard for all but the most egregious examples of other-driver-at-fault crashes. That, together with marketing standards, e.g. you can say FSD but you have to also say Level 2, should help clean things up while incentivizing good development.

Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by berkes on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @02:02AM (#34335878)
Certainly.

But companies will offer this only if the downside risk is bearable. Which, (IANAL) is quite certainly much bigger in the US than in Germany.

Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @02:11AM (#34335920)
> companies will offer this only if the downside risk is bearable

Is the liability in Germany uncapped?

Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by micwag on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @04:06AM (#34336569)
Didn't find anything, but I imagine it's similar to normal car insurance. In Germany most insurances are capped at 100m (legal minimum is 7.7m). Most expensive accident in history was 32m.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by dx034 on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @06:02AM (#34337166)
It's important to note that healthcare is much cheaper in Germany than in the US. In addition to that, compensation for injuries also tends to be much lower. That massively affects the costs of accidents.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by foepys on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @10:02AM (#34339164)
In Germany if you are liable for an accident the health insurance of the affected people will bill you for all incurring costs. At market rate, not at "health insurance discount" rate. I wouldn't bet that the cost in that case is lower than in the US.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by foepys on Thursday January 12, 2023 @01:17AM (#34349866)
US users are apparently confused. Germany does not have universal healthcare, everything is priced differently if you pay out of pocket.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by midoridensha on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @02:10AM (#34335908)
>The German law allows autonomous driving up to 130 km/h although Mercedes currently only allows their system to work up to 60 km/h.

That's weird; usually laws are behind the tech, not ahead of it.

Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by ricardobayes on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @04:18AM (#34336644)
Sometimes it pays off to have a cool head with tech too: have you ever seen a broken down Mercedes on the side of the road? Well, I just thought about it too, and no, never.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by wnkrshm on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @05:57AM (#34337134)
So it is only usable in congested Autobahn traffic to begin with - it's the minimum speed you're allowed to drive on a clear road.

Mean speed is somewhere at ~110km/h (and you're on the slower end in my experience if you go 110 km/h).