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Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by prottog on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @02:57PM (#34330591)
> since the fundamental ideology is actually opposed to the idea of well-functioning social institutions with mutual accountability

A charitable interpretation of Republican "fundamental ideology", as it were, would be that they prefer more well-functioning social institutions at lower levels of government, closer to the people those institutions are meant to serve. It would make sense than beyond just a publicity stunt to lower federal taxes and have states and localities tax more.

I can't take you seriously if you're claiming that one of the two major parties in this country isn't interested in the well-being of the country.

Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by wwweston on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @03:27PM (#34330989)
There was a point where I would have held the charitable reading of Republican ideology and I still know some people who identify with the party who probably understand their own position this way.

But at this point, no, I don't believe that's actually what's animating it. Selective election denialism is as nihilistic about local institutions as it is about national ones, while theories about state legislatures overridding citizen ballots sure isn't moving things closer to the people.

Whether you can take me seriously isn't any particular concern of mine, whether you can take the actual underlying topics seriously is the primary matter of concern.

Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by bb88 on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @03:41PM (#34331179)
Republicans have mostly lost their ideological way it seems like. They seem to just be against anything the Democrats are for these days.

The J6 response from the Republicans is all you need to know about power and politics in the party these days. Law and Order is fine long as it's only applied Biden's son. Nevermind the attack on institutional democracy.

Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by slowmovintarget on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @04:00PM (#34331400)
> They seem to just be against anything the Democrats are for these days.

This.

This was the problem with Democrats for a long time. They weren't for anything, they were just against Republicans. Republicans in government used to be well-educated and their main ideological thrust was based on a set of principles of limited government, free-market capitalism, and maximum agency of the governed. They fell short of this ideal, but the ideal was there.

Not any more. They're doing stupid symbolic things like this resolution to "get them Democrats" not to actually fix anything, and not as a matter of principle. Part of the problem is any conservative leaning person of any intelligence or reasonable level of education doesn't go into government, they go into business. We end up stuck with bozos like we have now.

This move to abolish the IRS is as much theater as the move to "abolish" daylight savings time in the U.S. which never goes beyond submission of a bill.

If they'd backed this with something like a flat tax, that would have been a bold move, even semi-realistic. But this is circus fare.

Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by jrs235 on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @04:54PM (#34332110)
They would have and could have done it when they controlled the House, Senate, and Whitehouse 4 years ago. But they aren't seriously about getting things done, just optics.

Edit: When they controlled all three during the beginning of the previous President's time in office. Still waiting for infrastructure [week] to end and I'm still waiting to see what the Republicans ACA replacement will be... SMH

Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by ashwagary on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @09:47PM (#34334466)
This political posturing will probably ensure an increase in support come election time.

People are getting savaged by inflation while the Democrats want the IRS to hire more agents that have a habit of targeting the middle income and poor because they are low hanging fruit.

Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by esarbe on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @08:04AM (#34337924)
Please stop spreading such nonsense. They don't have "a habit of targeting the middle income" people because they are low hanging fruits. They currently target middle income people because the lack the funds to go after the affluent and the wealthy and the obscenely rich.

That's what the additional funds is trying to rectify.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-20/super-ric...

Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by ashwagary on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @06:50PM (#34346842)
>They don't have "a habit of targeting the middle income" people because they are low hanging fruits.

>They currently target middle income people because the lack the funds to go after the affluent and the wealthy and the obscenely rich.

Low-hanging fruit: The obvious or easy things that can be most readily done or dealt with in achieving success or making progress toward an objective.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/low-hanging%20fru...

It's not nonsense, it's the reality.

Additionally, do you really believe US corruption is minor enough that politicians will target the major donor class for tax violations en mass?

Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by esarbe on Sunday January 15, 2023 @08:57AM (#34389402)
"low-hanging fruits" is implying that other fruits would be available for harvest - which they are not - the IRS lacks the funds to go after these other "fruits". So I'm not sure this metaphor is applicable.

> do you really believe US corruption is minor enough that politicians will target the major donor class for tax violations en mass?

Not giving the enforcement agencies the means to do the enforcement is not going to help either. If you are worried about corruption in the US, support efforts that get money out of politics, reversing Citizens United, etc. Not by virtually absolving rich people from paying taxes "because they already bought the politicians".

Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by jfengel on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @03:50PM (#34331267)
A charitable interpretation of Republican "fundamental ideology", as it were, would be that they prefer more well-functioning social institutions at lower levels of government, closer to the people those institutions are meant to serve.

But that's not what this does. This doesn't do anything to transition power away from the federal government. It just makes it impossible for the federal government to do its job.

That doesn't prove that they're not interested in the well-being of the country, but only because they know this won't succeed. If they thought it could pass, it would be wildly irresponsible. Instead, all we know is that at this moment they've chosen to make a grand and pointless gesture instead of actually governing.

Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by prottog on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @04:28PM (#34331767)
> instead of actually governing

And what do you suppose should be the priorities for the federal government? What needs actually governing that can't be better done at state and local levels at the moment?

Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by jfengel on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @05:42PM (#34332567)
Whether it could, in theory, be done better locally, then at the very least you'd need to plan for that. You can't just turn off the Social Security Administration, the Department of Transportation, the Department of Homeland Security etc and assume that the states will pick up those jobs tomorrow.

We could have a decent argument about which jobs are better handled by a federal government and which aren't. The notion that the federal government isn't actually doing anything and could just vanish tomorrow is absurd and not worth discussing.

Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by prottog on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @09:51AM (#34339037)
How about the notion that the federal government is doing way more than it should given its remit under the Constitution? That's my point, not that it can and should cease to exist.
Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by jfengel on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @10:28AM (#34339480)
I don't actually believe that, because the Constitution is deliberately vague about what the government can and can't do. It exists in its current form as the result of 250 years of evolution, following the rules at each step as best it could.

Even so, I'd be willing to say, "Sure, fine, the government is doing more than it should". That's pretty vacuously true, and also irrelevant. Getting people to agree on which parts are important, and finding a better way to implement them, seems a more germane question.

Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by kodyo on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @04:10PM (#34331548)
> It just makes it impossible for the federal government to do its job.

Where do I sign up?

Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by timeon on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @04:16PM (#34331618)
If you guys are going to loose your federation then you are going to be less relevant in world stage.
Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by kodyo on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @04:41PM (#34331933)
Most of the people I know and care about are within 10 miles of my house. I don't care about my town's relevance on the "world stage," whatever the heck that means to you.
Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by jfengel on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @05:43PM (#34332581)
Here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia

I'd refer you to their web site, but they don't appear to have one.

Re:House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, elimina... by kodyo on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @06:02PM (#34332732)
The two choices according to midwits:

1) An unlimited fascist oligarchy to sustain the global American empire

or

2) Somalia