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Re:Fewer than 40% of New Yorkers earn a living wage by cloutchaser on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @10:41AM (#34326462)
It's a bit confusing at a definitional level too. If 60% don't earn a living wage, how are they surviving? Surely your definition of "living wage" is more of a marketing gimick than anything, if 60% of people manage to "live" without earning the "living wage"?
Re:Fewer than 40% of New Yorkers earn a living wage by lm28469 on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @10:49AM (#34326618)
> how are they surviving?

"Living wage" isn't "surviving wage"

Re:Fewer than 40% of New Yorkers earn a living wage by slothtrop on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @11:29AM (#34327329)
You will admit though that they are deliberately conflated in the public discourse.
Re:Fewer than 40% of New Yorkers earn a living wage by gaterin on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @10:51AM (#34326668)
It's good to see people finally admitting America is incapable of being greater than Bangladesh or Ethiopia.
Re:Fewer than 40% of New Yorkers earn a living wage by lovecg on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @12:05PM (#34327944)
It’s delusional to think that a lot of people from those countries you mentioned wouldn’t want to swap lives with one of those oppressed NYC workers in a second.
Re:Fewer than 40% of New Yorkers earn a living wage by cloutchaser on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @06:04PM (#34332742)
Yet from most discourse I see it seems a lot of people actually believe it’s better in Ethiopia.

A few years ago Venezuela was held up as the poster child of how to defeat capitalism by the same people.

Re:Fewer than 40% of New Yorkers earn a living wage by jasonlotito on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @10:59AM (#34326844)
Living wage is defined.

"The living wage model is a ‘step up’ from poverty as measured by the poverty thresholds but it is a small ‘step up’, one that accounts for only the basic needs of a family. The living wage model does not allow for what many consider the basic necessities enjoyed by many Americans. It does not budget funds for pre-prepared meals or those eaten in restaurants. It does not include money for unpaid vacations or holidays. Nor does it provide money income to cover unexpected expenses such as a sudden illness, a major car repair, or the purchase of a household appliance such as a refrigerator. Lastly, it does not provide a financial means for planning for the future through savings and investment or for the purchase of capital assets (e.g. provisions for retirement or home purchases)."

Basically: "The living wage is the basic income standard that, if met, draws a very fine line between the financial independence of the working poor and the need to seek out public assistance or suffer consistent and severe housing and food insecurity."

In addition: "In light of this fact, the living wage is perhaps better defined as a minimum subsistence wage for persons living in the United States."

> This definition seems more like...

...you didn't read it, and you are merely complaining about the name of a rose.

Re:Fewer than 40% of New Yorkers earn a living wage by jkingsbery on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @11:36AM (#34327446)
> The living wage model does not allow for what many consider the basic necessities enjoyed by many Americans.

Call it whatever you want... New York being one of the richest states in the United States, saying that the median person in New York cannot afford "what many consider the basic necessities enjoyed by many Americans" is a contradiction. The idea that 60% of New Yorkers are not even at "subsistence" level of wages just makes no sense.

Re:Fewer than 40% of New Yorkers earn a living wage by slothtrop on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @11:35AM (#34327431)
That is what it is meant to describe, but it must also have a definition based on qualifying metrics. If sharing an apartment is tantamount to living below minimum standards, then there is a mismatch with it's descriptor, since wages that don't cover an entire one-bedroom does not necessitate that one is dangerously close to requiring public assistance.