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Re:Banks Are Fleeing Crypto. Bitcoin Investors Should Be Wor... by mrtksn on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @06:15AM (#34323112)
This is a complete BS, currently I'm in a country with very unstable currency that lost so much value during the last 2 crypto booms(2017, 2021) and I know what actually happened on the ground.

Crypto adoption is indeed high, much more than the western world but people are not in it to protect themselves from a volatile exchange rates but because they are desperate for a side hustle to make the ends meet. Those who are interested in preserving value simply buy USD, EUR or gold.

The "unbanked" concept is also complete BS, in those 3.rd world countries the banking systems and the fintech infrastructure is much more advanced than the ones in the west. There are indeed millions of "unbanked" people but they are unbanked due to political reasons and as a result they use alternatives payment processors which are not banks(or just use cash). When Europe was introduced to easy to use mobile banking with things like Monzo or Revolut and USA was adopting contactless payments or Chip&Pin these were already the norm. Before the iPhone&Android proliferation, people were able to do much of this stuff through the ATMs and payments systems integrated with the SIM cards. People from 3rd world visiting EU or the USA are often shocked to when see how primitive retail banking and payment systems are.

The value of crypto came from the ability to speculate. Everyone younger than 30 was in it and some people made good money. These days everyone is in the stock market, anyone can buy and sell stocks from their banking app and all taxes and fees are handles so its like buying and selling candies.

Re:Banks Are Fleeing Crypto. Bitcoin Investors Should Be Wor... by thepangolino on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @06:27AM (#34323200)
Providing banking services to people who are unbanked for political reasons is one of the main advantages of crypto imho. This is something you can get hit by in so called democratic countries as Canada demonstrated last year. https://www.businessinsider.com/trudeau-canada-freeze-bank-a...
Re:Banks Are Fleeing Crypto. Bitcoin Investors Should Be Wor... by mrtksn on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @06:34AM (#34323264)
This is not true at all. If the government doesn't want you to do something with your money its only a matter of time to catch up.

So you got untouchable by the banks because you participated in a political uprising that failed? You think that crypto will save you? Think again because it's only matter of time before the government makes it illegal to accept payments from that alternative payment method.

The only thing that works in cash. The electronic stuff don't work because they by design work by bookkeeping(remember the ledger on the blockchain) and when there is a bookkeeping there are ways to trace and prevent.

Re:Banks Are Fleeing Crypto. Bitcoin Investors Should Be Wor... by miracle2k on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @07:11AM (#34323601)
The government can also make the use of cash illegal. They can also put a huge dent into encrypted messaging by sending anyone caught using straight to the electric chair. They can drag you out of your home at night. (So can your neighbour for that matter).

The argument was never that crypto is some kind of magic shield against bullets. It's simply a tool. It raises the cost of certain kinds of abuses for the state. In the balance between the individual and the state, it shifts the power, ever so slightly, to the former.

Re:Banks Are Fleeing Crypto. Bitcoin Investors Should Be Wor... by mrtksn on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @07:17AM (#34323650)
In that regard, crypto is like hard to use easy to lose cash.

Cash, unlike crypto, is hard to trace. The best can do is to use chemical markers.

Government making cash illegal doesn’t mean much as it is pure p2p with no integrated bookkeeping or remote sensing.

Re:Banks Are Fleeing Crypto. Bitcoin Investors Should Be Wor... by rullelito on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @06:39AM (#34323307)
And the people who got their bank accounts closed will move to using bitcoin and live their lives? I guess maybe 10 (non-homeless) people can do that. It seems like all of these crypto-bullish scenarios are made up by 20-year-olds without analytical ability and with very little adult life experience.
Re:Banks Are Fleeing Crypto. Bitcoin Investors Should Be Wor... by zinekeller on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @06:55AM (#34323441)
> The "unbanked" concept is also complete BS, in those 3.rd world countries the banking systems and the fintech infrastructure is much more advanced than the ones in the west.

I've always noticed this hole said by cryptobros, and 4/5 of them who says this are Americans who never have interacted even with SEPA or (Canadian) Interac. It seems that this disconnect that "since American banks are already worse imagine what banks these people do have" without realising that the US has one of the worst domestic interbanking systems in developed countries - actually, delete developed as you correctly pointed out that developing countries have way better interbanking systems than the US. (To be fair, some of the hurdles apparently have legal concerns, but most of them can be explained by "(US) banks don't care about new technology".)

Edit: I have actually explained years ago why the unbanked are usually unbanked: it's not really solvable by technology.

- Wars. Most people in warzones don't want to hold a bank account because it is very unreliable. Cryptocurrency won't solve that problem, in fact it will exacerbate the problem because of your phone or computer is damaged it's game over*. Also, how do you even transact when you don't have any form of communication?

- Actually don't have anything to bank on. Their money is just enough to survive, so they can't even bank, regardless of its form. Giving cryptocurrency is often a proposed solution, while forgetting that regular currency works fine too in these situations.

- Cultural differences. Most, to be honest, don't want to depart their money to someone they don't know. They were introduced to money just a generation or two ago, so they are relatively new here. Good luck convincing that cryptocurrency is trustworthy in a way that can be easily understand.

* I mean you could write them on paper, but that's really stretching it, mainly because you need a computer to execute transactions.

Re:Banks Are Fleeing Crypto. Bitcoin Investors Should Be Wor... by mrtksn on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @06:58AM (#34323466)
Exactly, just added that to my post and noticed your comment. The "bank the unbanked" feed on the ignorance and superiority complex of the people in the western word. I guess they imagine that they are providing technology to people living in huts. How do they even imagine making money from this? Is it something like the guy in the hut is actually resource rich but wasn’t able to get a bank account to do business so they will enable him sell the milk and they will get a cut?