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Re:Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And... by TechBro8615 on Monday January 09, 2023 @04:27PM (#34316343)
A lot of them seem weirdly certain they'll end up in Heaven, too.

If I didn't know any better, I'd be asking what it is about Christ that turns people into murderous psychopaths...

Re:Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And... by ceejayoz on Monday January 09, 2023 @04:29PM (#34316367)
You've got cause and effect backwards, I suspect. Is it surprising a "say the magic words and everything's forgiven" ideology is particularly appealing to death row inmates?
Re:Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And... by jrockway on Monday January 09, 2023 @04:39PM (#34316518)
I think it looks good on your parole application to have converted to one of the major religions while in prison. Maybe people really believe, but just from a getting-out-ASAP standpoint, pretending to be religious is good business in prison.

Now if you're on death row, I don't know if it matters or not. That might just be legitimate fear, and Jesus has been known to give people second chances where the court system hasn't. Few people spend every day thinking about their own death, but on death row, that's pretty much the only recreational activity available. I can certainly understand why people would go looking for a higher power.

What coreleation this has to recidivism, I don't know, but it's probably a positive signal. (If you believe scripture, you probably don't mind adding a few other rules and regulations on top. Follow those extra rules and regulations and you don't go to prison again.) On the other hand, a lot of priests seemed to skip seminary on the day they had the "don't fuck children" lesson, so I have no idea how it all works out in the end.

Re:Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And... by anon291 on Monday January 09, 2023 @04:41PM (#34316549)
This one is easy, as Jesus in the bible clearly says that if you are truly sorry, then even the most heinous will enter heaven, by the saving power of God.

Your response is also predicted.

Re:Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And... by nailer on Monday January 09, 2023 @04:39PM (#34316508)
> I'd be asking what it is about Christ that turns people into murderous psychopaths...

That's a reasonable question. Christianity does have an emphasis on forgiveness, which I suspect these prison chaplain programs emphasize, however murder is considered a mortal sin that separates one's soul from god and that cannot regularly be forgiven.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_sin, scroll to 'Actions constituting grave matter' for the list.

My grandmother was devout and spent her last few weeks convinced she was going to hell for something I do not know.

Re:Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And... by ceejayoz on Monday January 09, 2023 @04:47PM (#34316649)
> However murder is considered a mortal sin that separates one's soul from god and that cannot regularly be forgiven.

By Catholics, specifically. Evangelical Christians don't typically share this belief.

Re:Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And... by none_to_remain on Monday January 09, 2023 @05:08PM (#34316950)
Mortal sins can absolutely be forgiven in Catholicism

See for example the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1456

Re:Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And... by nailer on Monday January 09, 2023 @05:34PM (#34317381)
> 1456

> Confession to a priest is an essential part of the sacrament of Penance: "All mortal sins of which penitents after a diligent self-examination are conscious must be recounted by them in confession, even if they are most secret and have been committed against the last two precepts of the Decalogue; for these sins sometimes wound the soul more grievously and are more dangerous than those which are committed openly.

That seems to say mortal sins must be confessed. But I cannot see where it says they can be forgiven.

Re:Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And... by jakebasile on Monday January 09, 2023 @05:58PM (#34317761)
The only unforgivable sin according to the Church is "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit"[1], which is defined as refusal of God's mercy and forgiveness [2].

[1]: https://ucatholic.com/catechism/1864/

[2]: https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/d... (see 46)

Re:Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And... by nailer on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @01:19AM (#34321197)
Your references seem to say that blasphemy is unforgivable but not that other mortal sins are forgivable. Unless I’m missing something.
Re:Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And... by boeingUH60 on Monday January 09, 2023 @04:48PM (#34316657)
> However murder is considered a mortal sin that separates one's soul from god and that cannot regularly be forgiven.

Don’t think that’s true. Murder is considered a grave sin but not one that can’t be forgiven…remember Paul (who wrote several books of the New Testament) was a killer, so was Moses in the Old Testament.

I think the only sin mentioned as unforgivable is “blasphemy against the Holy Spirit” which is very vague.

(Was raised Christian, no longer one).

Edit: Another comment there’s a Catholic-evangelical disagreement on this, so maybe that’s the case.

Re:Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And... by nailer on Monday January 09, 2023 @05:21PM (#34317159)
IIRC it was a a little vague about what Saul of Tarsus actually did to the early Christians. I've heard it argued that Moses killing the Egyptian was an act of faith rather then of murder.

FWIW I think god is not real, just playing devil's advocate.

Re:Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And... by Natsu on Monday January 09, 2023 @04:44PM (#34316588)
This actually goes the other way, if you believe the science: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0886260513504646

A lot of these people are in touch with prison ministries trying to get them to repent, so they probably weren't frequently meaningfully Christian before that on average. I don't have any way of knowing if these people were sincere or whether they'd have done the things they did all over again, but I don't really find it a bad thing if people realize that they've done bad and want to do what little they can to atone for it.

But yeah, I know it's not like an "I'm sorry" is going to bring mom back. And I say that as someone who heard those very words from the man who murdered mom.

So take the supposed repentance with a grain of salt, but I think it's at least better than the alternative where they never even acknowledge that they did something awful.

Re:Texas Records All Inmates Last Words Before Execution And... by LarryMullins on Monday January 09, 2023 @05:11PM (#34316992)
I think it's usually a cynical ploy for a last minute pardon.