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Re:John Carmack: I loaned money to anyone that asked me by lotsofpulp on Monday January 09, 2023 @12:46PM (#34313236)
In the US, gifts of up to $11M or maybe $12M are not taxable.
Re:John Carmack: I loaned money to anyone that asked me by theonething on Monday January 09, 2023 @01:00PM (#34313487)
Re:John Carmack: I loaned money to anyone that asked me by lotsofpulp on Monday January 09, 2023 @01:03PM (#34313566)
See “exemptions” section:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_tax_in_the_United_States

> Second, gifts in excess of the annual exclusion may still be tax-free up to the lifetime estate basic exclusion amount ($11.58 million for 2020).[9] For estates over that amount, however, such gifts might result in an increase in estate taxes. Taxpayers that expect to have a taxable estate may sometimes prefer to pay gift taxes as they occur, rather than saving them up as part of the estate.

Re:John Carmack: I loaned money to anyone that asked me by greyface- on Monday January 09, 2023 @01:01PM (#34313516)
That's the reporting threshold, not the total exclusion amount.
Re:John Carmack: I loaned money to anyone that asked me by greyface- on Monday January 09, 2023 @12:53PM (#34313357)
Notably, that's a cumulative lifetime limit, not per gift or per year.
Re:John Carmack: I loaned money to anyone that asked me by theonething on Monday January 09, 2023 @12:59PM (#34313462)
That doesn't sound right

The per year limit for 2023 is 17,000. A 11M lifetime limit would mean 647 years of giving.

I think the 11M figure is just totally way off. Not sure where they are getting that from.

Re:John Carmack: I loaned money to anyone that asked me by lotsofpulp on Monday January 09, 2023 @01:00PM (#34313483)
https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employe...

Scroll down to ”Basic Exclusion Amount for Year of Death”

The gift giver pays the tax, but only after they give someone more than the lifetime amount.

Re:John Carmack: I loaned money to anyone that asked me by theonething on Monday January 09, 2023 @01:07PM (#34313614)
So that's an estate tax upon death.

But given we're talking about loans and gifts while a person is living, I think the correct tax to invoke is the gift tax that has a limit of $17,000 per year.

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employe...

Re:John Carmack: I loaned money to anyone that asked me by lotsofpulp on Monday January 09, 2023 @01:22PM (#34313887)
If taxpayer A gifts taxpayer B $1M today, taxpayer B owes $0 in taxes to the US federal government. Taxpayer A also owes $0, assuming that is all they have gifted in their life. But they do have to file a form with the IRS tabulating the total they have gifted, minus the annual exclusion ($17k).

Neither taxpayer A nor taxpayer B have a federal tax liability for gifting more than the annual exclusion amount.

So I do not see how the gift tax, which would implicitly involve a tax liability for the gift, has a limit of $17k.

Am I incorrect?

Re:John Carmack: I loaned money to anyone that asked me by theonething on Monday January 09, 2023 @07:45PM (#34318757)
> If taxpayer A gifts taxpayer B $1M today, taxpayer B owes $0 in taxes to the US federal government.

If A is alive when that happens then that is wrong. B will be taxed on the amount of $1M - 17k because the gift tax applies not the estate tax.

If A were dead and gifted B in their will, then you would be correct because the estate tax applies in this scenario.

Again, since we're taking about loans and gifts while a person is alive in this thread, the first scenario of the gift tax applies.

Re:John Carmack: I loaned money to anyone that asked me by greyface- on Monday January 09, 2023 @09:34PM (#34319696)
This is incorrect. Taxpayers are allowed to apply their lifetime gift exclusion before death. Line 7 on Part 2 of Form 709.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f709.pdf

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i709.pdf#page=20

Re:John Carmack: I loaned money to anyone that asked me by theonething on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @03:26AM (#34321997)
I stand corrected. Thank you.
Re:John Carmack: I loaned money to anyone that asked me by lotsofpulp on Monday January 09, 2023 @10:03PM (#34319986)
A gift recipient does not owe tax, so taxpayer B never owes any tax for receiving a gift.

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employe...

>Who pays the gift tax?

> The donor is generally responsible for paying the gift tax. Under special arrangements the donee may agree to pay the tax instead. Please visit with your tax professional if you are considering this type of arrangement.

Re:John Carmack: I loaned money to anyone that asked me by theonething on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @03:26AM (#34321995)
Ok, after a little more research, I think you're right and I stand corrected. Thank you for your patience!