Re:MT-Propeller 11 blade propeller delivers 15% increase in ...
by dmoy on Friday January 06, 2023 @03:40PM
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> At what point does a prop become a fan?
Linguistically, a prop becomes a fan when you anchor it to something immovable, or attach it to something movable but without any intention of propelling it using the prop.
Fan - try to move the air around, but not the thing it's attached to.
Prop - try to propel the thing it's attached to
Re:MT-Propeller 11 blade propeller delivers 15% increase in ...
by buildbot on Friday January 06, 2023 @03:58PM
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I am not sure this is really correct - turbojets (as in fighter jets) sound more like what you describe, turbofans if I remember correctly, get most of the thrust (>70%?) from bypass air around the combustion, and very little from actual combustion thrust. It just also feeds it's own combustion chamber air to keep the fan part going.
Perhaps it is a fan if enclosed? Vs. a prop if not?
Re:MT-Propeller 11 blade propeller delivers 15% increase in ...
by imnotreallynew on Friday January 06, 2023 @04:15PM
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Most modern fighter jets have turbofan engines as well.
Re:MT-Propeller 11 blade propeller delivers 15% increase in ...
by justsomehnguy on Friday January 06, 2023 @05:40PM
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>Perhaps it is a fan if enclosed? Vs. a prop if not?
Stipa Caproni
Re:MT-Propeller 11 blade propeller delivers 15% increase in ...
by rbanffy on Friday January 06, 2023 @05:49PM
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Dear Lord! Half of the lift is due to the repulsion Earth feels from it.
Re:MT-Propeller 11 blade propeller delivers 15% increase in ...
by polishdude20 on Friday January 06, 2023 @03:59PM
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That's not true about a turbofan. A large part of the thrust is actually from the fan itself. The bypass air that never goes into the combustion chamber produces most of the thrust.
Re:MT-Propeller 11 blade propeller delivers 15% increase in ...
by jonsen on Friday January 06, 2023 @04:03PM
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"A turbofan thus can be thought of as a turbojet being used to drive a ducted fan, with both of these contributing to the thrust.":
Re:MT-Propeller 11 blade propeller delivers 15% increase in ...
by netr0ute on Friday January 06, 2023 @03:35PM
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> what point does a prop become a fan
I don't know, because I think the whole purpose of a prop is to be a fan.
Re:MT-Propeller 11 blade propeller delivers 15% increase in ...
by lazide on Friday January 06, 2023 @03:42PM
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No quite. Fans == move air, relative to the thing the fan is mounted to.
So a jet engine has fans, because it is moving air into and around the engine, but not using them to move itself around directly (It uses the jet of air created by the thermal expansion from the burning fuel and compressed intake air to do that, mostly).
Propeller == moves something through air (or another media like water) directly.
Semantics, mostly.
Re:MT-Propeller 11 blade propeller delivers 15% increase in ...
by bitwize on Friday January 06, 2023 @03:44PM
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Back in the 80s there were experiments run with propfans -- propellers with many stubby blades that offered near jet-like performance while consuming half the fuel. They never got anywhere because propfan engines were large and noisy and the dropping price of oil made the fuel economy concerns less urgent.
Re:MT-Propeller 11 blade propeller delivers 15% increase in ...
by rbanffy on Friday January 06, 2023 @05:51PM
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A think a lot of the noise was because the blades were counter-rotating. The size limitation was to be compatible with tail-mounted engines like the ones used in DC-9's and 727's.
Re:MT-Propeller 11 blade propeller delivers 15% increase in ...
by mcarmichael on Friday January 06, 2023 @05:32PM
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The relevant conceptual distinction seems to be whether the aerodynamics of the blade(s) are conceptually independent, or interdependent. Better explained here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propeller_(aeronautics)#Aircra...
A 777 engine has 22 fan blades, twice this thing.