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Re:FBI Looking for Hashflare Victims by londons_explore on Friday January 06, 2023 @08:58AM (#34274586)
> The government alleges that the HashFlare cloud mining service did not have access to the volume of mining power that was needed to service the amount of mining contracts it sold to the public. The government further alleges that, to enable HashFlare to create the illusion that it was mining bitcoin, Potapenko purchased bitcoin from a third party and distributed it to victims who were requesting withdrawals from their HashFlare account.

This seems kinda reasonable as long as it was disclosed... Buying and setting up mining hardware takes a while. Buying bitcoins on the open market from someone else who has mining hardware is functionally identical.

It's a bit like going to a farmer and giving him money to grow a field of corn for you, only to find out he actually gave your money to some other farmer who grew the corn and gave it to you.

Re:FBI Looking for Hashflare Victims by sofixa on Friday January 06, 2023 @09:03AM (#34274626)
I think you're missing an important component:

> who were requesting withdrawals from their HashFlare account

So it was more like a ton of people pay a farmer to grow a field of corn, and when they ask for corn in return, the farmer buys corn somewhere else and presents it as from his field. Meanwhile the farmer hasn't planted what they should have, and hopes not too many people ask for their cork or they'll crash.

Re:FBI Looking for Hashflare Victims by londons_explore on Friday January 06, 2023 @09:16AM (#34274769)
So the real issue is 'Hashflare did not have sufficient assets to cover balances in all customer accounts'.

Akin to 'farmer neither has corn growing nor money to buy corn to fulfil promises to customers'

That would be the crime...

Re:FBI Looking for Hashflare Victims by itake on Friday January 06, 2023 @02:34PM (#34279714)
My understanding is this farmer was paid to grow food, not buy it from another farmer.

The expectation was this farmer would grow new calories (increasing the supply of food for the region).

You may argue there is a fixed number of crypto released and thus not fair, but allocating that money towards the open market instead of toward hardware and energy company has an impact on the crypto's value.

Re:FBI Looking for Hashflare Victims by fnordpiglet on Friday January 06, 2023 @09:01AM (#34274613)
That’s also how a Ponzi scheme works