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Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by chx on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:02PM (#34270813)
A union negotiates salaries and work conditions both. Even with union dues your salary will be higher and work conditions so much better.

Let's look at ATC as an example:

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/transportation-and-material-moving/a...

> Their work can be stressful because maximum concentration is required at all times. Night, weekend, and rotating shifts are common.

Well, maybe there could be better agreements than rotating shifts on a very stressful job, don't you think so?

Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by Karrot_Kream on Friday January 06, 2023 @04:49AM (#34272866)
I'm not talking about a generic "unions are good" argument. I know why unions exist, the history behind them throughout much of the West, their ties to worker parties and socialism etc. I'm specifically wondering what about unionizing (or in this case, re-unionizing) makes it more palatable for these highly specialized roles to exist. Is your argument then that working conditions for folks like HVAC techs are poor enough that unions are necessary to negotiate for better working conditions before people want to become HVAC techs?

Generally, the more specialized labor is, the higher wage and benefits they can demand in a capitalist labor market. Supply and demand. For less skilled labor like general electricians I can understand the role of the union in negotiating for wages, benefits, and safety standards. For highly skilled labor like an HVAC tech, I don't see it.

Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by chx on Sunday January 08, 2023 @07:01AM (#34298369)
You seriously want me to dig up the stories on how everyone is mistreated? I already did for ATC. You can do your research for the rest. I am reasonable sure every worker in the US is mistreated.