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Re:Why are antennas popping up all over the foothills? SLC s... by jasonwatkinspdx on Thursday January 05, 2023 @04:32PM (#34266976)
You vastly underestimate how intense the cartels are.

They want total control, not bribes.

One of the more medium size cartels, Jalisco New Generation, specializes in training assassins against their will. Let that just sink in. They do this by advertising jobs, kidnapping the people who show up to interview, and then torturing them in horrific ways until they get the total compliance of learned helplessness. Then they send them on suicide missions.

I don't want to go into the details of the torture because its bad stuff, involving cannibalism even. If you are morbidly curious there's a couple interviews with survivors you can find somewhere on youtube.

And this is far from the only instance of this sort of thing. Sinaloa has been known to kidnap entire buses and make folks fight to the death, winner gets the dubious honor of becoming a member.

These are people who assume every single person in their world is plotting to overthrow them in an instant, and leave nothing to chance vs that. They don't want to hope their bribe is enough to keep you loyal, they want to know you're loyal because you've seen them torture to death countless people. You don't get any agency in the matter.

Re:Why are antennas popping up all over the foothills? SLC s... by toephu2 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @04:47PM (#34267218)
How do you know all this? Were you a former member?
Re:Why are antennas popping up all over the foothills? SLC s... by jasonwatkinspdx on Thursday January 05, 2023 @04:59PM (#34267424)
There's a number of brave journalists that cover this stuff locally, but a lot of what I'm talking about has been covered in national media in the US, it just doesn't get much traction.

I have friends that live in Mexico so we talk about it fairly often as well. One of my friends in particular is a wireless business owner with customers near Brownsville/Matamoros, where those telcom engineer kidnappings happened, so he's acutely aware of things.

Re:Why are antennas popping up all over the foothills? SLC s... by InCityDreams on Thursday January 05, 2023 @05:45PM (#34268028)
>One of my friends in particular is a wireless business owner with customers near Brownsville/Matamoros, where those telcom engineer kidnappings happened, so he's acutely aware of things.

...and you just doxxed him?

Re:Why are antennas popping up all over the foothills? SLC s... by jasonwatkinspdx on Thursday January 05, 2023 @05:54PM (#34268129)
I clearly did not.

Can you try to put more effort into participating here? This is actually a material conversation to me so I don't in the slightest appreciate some rando on the internet is trying to say I'm risking my friends life with sharing very innocuous general information as a zero effort rhetorical dunk.

Re:Why are antennas popping up all over the foothills? SLC s... by bob29 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @06:46PM (#34268714)
Worth it for the upvotes tho
Re:Why are antennas popping up all over the foothills? SLC s... by playingalong on Thursday January 05, 2023 @04:53PM (#34267322)
I don't think organizations like this have any former members.
Re:Why are antennas popping up all over the foothills? SLC s... by veb on Thursday January 05, 2023 @05:39PM (#34267951)
they do, they just might be... in a non-talkative mood ;-)
Re:Why are antennas popping up all over the foothills? SLC s... by LinuxBender on Thursday January 05, 2023 @05:52PM (#34268105)
Adding to this, they are growing fast [1] and rumor has it they are moving into Texas. Curious what the U.S. will do to try to stop them. Military perhaps?

[1] - https://es.insightcrime.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Mexic...

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Re:Why are antennas popping up all over the foothills? SLC s... by freshpots on Thursday January 05, 2023 @06:24PM (#34268464)
Username is factual with references like RNCResearch, how meta of you. I would recommend a more appropriate audience a for your content, Twitter.
Re:Why are antennas popping up all over the foothills? SLC s... by Sparkyte on Thursday January 05, 2023 @06:49PM (#34268745)
I mean what they are setting up is entirely legal systems it may not be legal to set them up in certain places but nothing illegal. They don't have to kidnap anyone to achieve this goal unless they are too poor to pay someone to help them. However drugs that is bad, mmm kay?
Re:Why are antennas popping up all over the foothills? SLC s... by weregiraffe on Friday January 06, 2023 @01:47PM (#34279048)
>One of the more medium size cartels, Jalisco New Generation, specializes in training assassins against their will. Let that just sink in. They do this by advertising jobs, kidnapping the people who show up to interview, and then torturing them in horrific ways until they get the total compliance of learned helplessness. Then they send them on suicide missions.

This sounds like:

1. Just a rehash of the original Hashashin tale.

2. A spooky story cartel members might tell.

Re:Why are antennas popping up all over the foothills? SLC s... by jasonwatkinspdx on Friday January 06, 2023 @07:11PM (#34283300)
HNews never fails to be the place where people who know not even the basics of a topic are confidently contrarian.

Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxP-TMArlV0

This is far from the only source you can find that supports what I'm saying. Search for CJNG to find more about them. They're sort of the Phoenix that rose from the infamous Los Zetas.