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Re:Bill Gates: "I'm literally losing sleep over Java" by peoplefromibiza on Thursday January 05, 2023 @03:25AM (#34257345)
> embrace, extend, and extinguish is alive and well

???

you can clone Github projects and move them on every other git repository you want

if Github removed the support for git, Github would be dead in a week.

Not only because git is literally in their name, but because every programmer tool that deals with code (editors, IDEs, etc.) has embedded support for git, the protocol, not git the Github version of the protocol.

Remove interoperability and you killed the golden goose.

At MS are not that stupid.

Re:Bill Gates: "I'm literally losing sleep over Java" by kragen on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:19AM (#34260813)
if www browsers had removed support for ftp, browsers would have been dead in a week, in 01998

but because they waited until last year, removing that interoperability did not significantly affect their dominance as a way of accessing the internet

Re:Bill Gates: "I'm literally losing sleep over Java" by peoplefromibiza on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:15AM (#34261991)
> but because they waited until last year

FTP died long ago as a protocol, it wasn't killed by some corporations trying to embrace and extend, but by better protocols (SFTP, SCP, HTTP(S) etc.)

also FTP created a lot of issues behind NAT

Re:Bill Gates: "I'm literally losing sleep over Java" by kragen on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:24AM (#34262158)
there are still ftp servers and there is still a substantial information that is only accessible through ftp, however lame the protocol design is

wrt nat i would say that nat created a lot of issues with ftp

Re:Bill Gates: "I'm literally losing sleep over Java" by peoplefromibiza on Friday January 06, 2023 @08:39AM (#34274418)
> wrt nat i would say that nat created a lot of issues with ftp

let me rephrase it.

FTP behind NAT had a lot of issues.

But the protocol was never designed to be accessed by a WEB browser, that were limited to read only access.

The best way to access FTP is through an FTP client.

I don't necessarily agree with the new wave of browser security at all costs, like HTTPS everywhere, but FTP clients are far from being hard to find.

> there is still a substantial information that is only accessible through ftp

can you point me to an example?

I haven't encountered that problem since the end of the 90s. The only instance I can recall is upgrading the firmware of home routers/modems using TFTP.