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Re:The Expanding Dark Forest and Generative AI by quotemstr on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @11:19AM (#34247454)
Your argument is an assertion of the existence of a soul, but with extra steps. I've seen no evidence that the mind is anything other than computation, and computation is substrate-independent. Dualists have been rejecting the computational mind concept for centuries, but IMHO they've never had a grounding for their rejection of materialism that isn't ultimately rooted in some unfounded belief in the specialness of humans.
Re:The Expanding Dark Forest and Generative AI by derivagral on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @01:25PM (#34249387)
I took GP as more about data processing than dualism. A language model can take language and process it into probable chains, but the point is more along the line of needing to also simulate the full body experience, not just some text. The difference between e.g. a text-only game, whatever Fortnite's up to, and real meatspace.
Re:The Expanding Dark Forest and Generative AI by jchanimal on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @07:57PM (#34254396)
And furthermore no simulation can have a “what it’s like to be them”
Re:The Expanding Dark Forest and Generative AI by freejazz on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @04:53PM (#34252386)
No it's not, it's an assertion that there is an essential biological or chemical function that occurs in the brain that results in human mental phenomenon. It has nothing to do with a soul. That's ridiculous.
Re:The Expanding Dark Forest and Generative AI by jchanimal on Friday January 06, 2023 @04:10PM (#34281124)
Here's a more academic argument, although not quite mine: https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/opphil-2022-0...
Re:The Expanding Dark Forest and Generative AI by quotemstr on Friday January 06, 2023 @07:38PM (#34283550)
If consciousness is a computation (and I think it is), and if you fork() that computation (as the article imagines as its core thought experiment), you end up with two conscious entities. I don't see the philosophical difficulty.
Re:The Expanding Dark Forest and Generative AI by jchanimal on Friday January 06, 2023 @08:18PM (#34283934)
If consciousness is substrate independent, it can never be embodied like we are. If evolution explores solution space regardless of what science understands, it's likely minds operate on laws of physics that aren't appreciated yet. It's possible that having experience requires being real. As in the computable numbers are a subset of the real numbers, and only real life real time implementations can experience, because the having of experience can't be simulated.