Microsoft Workers to Form Company’s First Union in the U.S.

Re:Microsoft Workers to Form Company’s First Union in the U.S. by PathOfEclipse on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @11:04AM (#34247220)

You're reaching into "cosmic justice" territory, which is a really bad place to be. It's not up to you or anyone else to fix the fact that the universe is inherently "unfair" (re: people with different passions, dispositions, and life situations), and certainly giving any entity sufficient power to attempt to solve for cosmic injustice is simply paving a road to tyranny with golden intentions.

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Re:Microsoft Workers to Form Company’s First Union in the U.S. by jjj123 on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @11:58AM (#34248109)

Well right now there are existing entities with too much power, unions provide a second (less) powerful entity to balance the unchecked power of corporate leaders.

It’s not about correcting a cosmic wrong, it’s about people wanting more power and using a tool to get it.

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Re:Microsoft Workers to Form Company’s First Union in the U.S. by PathOfEclipse on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @12:55PM (#34248955)

It really is, though, about correcting cosmic wrongs, because it is the world view you must first hold to believe something "unjust" is occurring when someone voluntarily bargains to work long hours for lower pay to be able to work their dream job. The next step is to pass legislation or push for judicial or executive action to try to "correct" for the injustice. The U.S. already has several very counter-productive pro-union labor laws it has accumulated over the years, and, under democrat presidents like Obama and Biden, the NLRB rules heavily in favor of unions:

https://cei.org/blog/biden-says-he-wants-to-be-the-most-pro-...

https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/12/adversarial-labor-law...

These laws and actions don't make the world more just. On the contrary, they just add new injustices on top of the old ones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzYgiOC9cj4

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Re:Microsoft Workers to Form Company’s First Union in the U.S. by triceratops on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @06:50PM (#34253738)

Not at all. I just object to the toxic idea that professions should pay more or less based on how much much people like doing them. Justify salaries based on supply and demand, and value creation.

"Your job is fun/cool/meaningful whereas my work makes me hate myself. Therefore, I deserve more money than you" is an awfully sour worldview.

Working conditions or health and safety, are not up for debate no matter how amazing or terrible the job is.

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Re:Microsoft Workers to Form Company’s First Union in the U.S. by mbesto on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @07:48PM (#34254298)

> should pay more or less based on how much much people like doing them. Justify salaries based on supply and demand, and value creation.

Reread your sentence and think real hard about it because you're saying the same thing, you're just conflating the premise. Gaming devs ARE based on supply and demand. As one of the other comments points out, the demand is outsized relative to other developer positions (e.g. SaaS dev). Simple supply and demand tells us if the demand is higher, then the price goes down. There ya go.

> Therefore, I deserve more money than you

No one is saying this.

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Re:Microsoft Workers to Form Company’s First Union in the U.S. by triceratops on Thursday January 05, 2023 @03:05PM (#34265730)

> you're saying the same thing, you're just conflating the premise

I understand the effect of passion on supply. You might think I'm making a distinction without a difference but I disagree. We shouldn't normalize the idea that well-paying work has to be unpleasant. "It's called 'work' because it's not fun" is a harmful idea.

> No one is saying this.

Read the comment I originally responded to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34245152

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