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Re:Microsoft Workers to Form Company’s First Union in the U.S. by nonethewiser on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @10:11AM (#34246388)
Because not only is it consensual, but developers are actively sacrificing things to be in the game industry. When you have alternatives you aren't being exploited.
Re:Microsoft Workers to Form Company’s First Union in the U.S. by triceratops on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @10:47AM (#34246921)
Shrug I would hate to work in the game industry. I've made games as hobby projects. In all honesty, they're the most boring kind of programming I've done. Game testing sounds even worse.

My current work is pretty boring to other people, but I like it. Would it be right for someone in my role who hates the work to make more money?

Re:Microsoft Workers to Form Company’s First Union in the U.S. by ctvo on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @10:48AM (#34246946)
> When you have alternatives you aren't being exploited.

That's a narrow definition. Perhaps a better definition is when the other party knows you don't have leverage and takes advantage of it, you're being exploited.

Paying you little, knowing you'd work for a low wage because this is your passion? Exploitation.

Horrible working conditions, wages, and abuse knowing you're an illegal immigrant with no recourse? Exploitation.

Knowing you need the job for visa purposes and asking you to come in for a 2am code review because a new CEO wants to feel like an engineer? Exploitation.

Re:Microsoft Workers to Form Company’s First Union in the U.S. by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @11:36AM (#34247743)
> Paying you little, knowing you'd work for a low wage because this is your passion?

Closer to paying you little because there are others who will accept those low wages.

Re:Microsoft Workers to Form Company’s First Union in the U.S. by somedude895 on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @11:01AM (#34247153)
One of these examples is so unlike the other two that it's outrageous.
Re:Microsoft Workers to Form Company’s First Union in the U.S. by Manuel_D on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @11:56AM (#34248064)
> Horrible working conditions, wages, and abuse knowing you're an illegal immigrant with no recourse? Exploitation.

Yes. This scenario includes factors that are depriving the worker of agency, chiefly the lack of recourse due to their illegal immigrant status.

> Paying you little, knowing you'd work for a low wage because this is your passion? Exploitation.

No. If the worker is passionate about their job and is willing to tolerate low wages and long hours that's their decision. Agency is not being deprived. The worker should rethink whether working in their dream field is a good decision, and change jobs. If enough people do it, then the company will not be able to fill positions and will have to change labor practices or close shop. But, chances are, there's plenty of people willing to fill this role and the company is simply following the labor market.

> Knowing you need the job for visa purposes and asking you to come in for a 2am code review because a new CEO wants to feel like an engineer? Exploitation.

Maybe. Was this part of the job description? Some companies are upfront about expectations around crunch time or oncall responsibility. Others are not. Are there factors limiting a worker's agency? I'd say it'd be exploitative to change the work responsibilities on someone who has limited agency to change jobs. An H1B worker whose residency is tied to employment, as you suggest, I would consider exploitative.

Most video game development falls in the middle category. The whole industry has a widespread reputation for demanding crunch time - I don't think one would reasonably say they were deceived if asked to crunch near release. They also have skills that are in demand with plenty of other fields. Heck, the company I work in now acquired a video game studio to work on a 3D Geodesy UI, and everyone's salary basically doubled and they were able to work roughly 9-5.

Re:Microsoft Workers to Form Company’s First Union in the U.S. by cmiles74 on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @11:21AM (#34247506)
Industry should pay more for people that motivated to do the work. That this level of motivation would be used against employees strikes me as more of an indicator that there is a problem with the industry, perhaps collusion among the big players to keep wages low.

That kind of thing (collusion by big players to keep wages low) strikes me as exploitative.