Re:The Expanding Dark Forest and Generative AI
by PurpleRamen on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @08:15AM
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If the human made picture is evaluated by an AI, is it still art? If the security cam-picture is indistinguishable from the human-made, how could you evaluate it as non-art?
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Re:The Expanding Dark Forest and Generative AI
by p-e-w on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @08:21AM
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It doesn't matter whether you are able to distinguish human-made from computer-made "art". The distinction exists by definition, irrespective of whether you can actually tell the difference in practice. Just like many past events are now lost to time and will never be remembered, but that doesn't mean they didn't happen.
Re:The Expanding Dark Forest and Generative AI
by gilleain on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @09:12AM
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One possibly interesting sidenote are the fake Vermeers made by Han van Meegeren (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_van_Meegeren)
So accurate were these fakes - not copies, but new paintings in Vermeer's style - that several experts verified them as real, and then tried to sue to save their reputations.
These fakes were certainly made by a human, but are somewhat mechanical in the sense that they were copying someone else, much like an AI copy of existing artists.
Re:The Expanding Dark Forest and Generative AI
by dagw on Thursday January 05, 2023 @05:06AM
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The interesting thing here is that once van Meegeren was exposed he became famous in his own right and his 'fakes' became valuable, not as fakes, but as genuine Han van Meegeren originals.
Re:The Expanding Dark Forest and Generative AI
by PurpleRamen on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @09:28AM
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Just to be clear. Your idea is that something is art when it was made by a human. And a perfect replication of it somehow loses the trait, and becomes non-art? This makes zero sense. This would make only the physical object itself the art, and it wouldn't matter what form it has?
Re:The Expanding Dark Forest and Generative AI
by monknomo on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @12:03PM
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Of course it makes sense - a print is different than an original, they have a different price, they have a different impact. Even when it is a very good print.
For that matter, a limited run print has a different impact and value than an unlimited run print. Compare an original warhol print of a can of soup, to a modern repr print, to an actual can of soup, to an I <3 NY t-shirt.