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Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by smoldesu on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @03:39PM (#34237670)
This is a great move for wireless charging as a whole, but I do have to question the fine-print here. Apple owns the MagSafe patents through 2030, which means they could pull a "MFi standard" situation and charge manufacturers licensing costs just to use "standard" technology.

I'm still hopeful that this comes with no strings attached, but once bitten makes me twice shy.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by post_break on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @03:43PM (#34237721)
Reading the press release it appears the WCP is adopting the alignment via magnets as the standard. And Qi2 will remain the standard with no gotchas.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by smoldesu on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @04:00PM (#34237973)
Very good news, the editorializing on these blogposts always throws me for a loop.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by scarface74 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @03:43PM (#34237730)
Once you agree to make your patents part of a standard, the standard committee forces all patent holders to license their patents under FRAND.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by smoldesu on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @03:59PM (#34237948)
Yep. Historically though, Apple's standards have been less about creating convergent technology and more about reinforcing revenue streams. Look at the entire MFi line, a 'standard' that was defined by high-margin Chinese junk that slapped Apple icons on their Bluetooth smart speaker. There wasn't a Cambrian explosion of innovative iPhone tools, but instead a sea of useless iDogs and plastic boomboxes.

Apple's greed has clearly hurt their own ecosystem in the past. They've made it completely obvious that their goal is indiscriminate rent collection, and I'd appreciate if that attitude would remain isolated from the ideals of open computing as a whole.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by scarface74 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @04:26PM (#34238306)
> Yep. Historically though, Apple's standards have been less about creating convergent technology and more about reinforcing revenue streams. Look at the entire MFi line, a 'standard'

That was never a licensed standard overseen by a standards body.

Apple contributed to the H.264 standard, and is also a major contributor to the USB C standard, as well as the Thunderbolt standard.

> They've made it completely obvious that their goal is indiscriminate rent collection, and I'd appreciate if that attitude would remain isolated from the ideals of open computing as a whole.

You realize that’s how the entire industry works right? Cellular standards and most video and modern audio codecs are also licensed via a patent pool.

There is no such thing as “open computing” where nothing is licensed from patent holders for anything that the vast majority of people would find usable.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by smoldesu on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @04:38PM (#34238450)
Apple certainly has the legal autonomy to do all of this, I'm not disputing that. My point is that through these decisions, their behaviors obviously constitute market abuse. Something is gravely wrong if you can behave in the manner Apple has and become the world's largest company.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by scarface74 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @04:41PM (#34238491)
So is everyone else who you have to license from to create a modern cell phone also engaging in “market abuse”? Do you realize how much money both ARM and Qualcomm make from each cellphone?

Do you realize how much Google makes from the patents they bought from Motorola?

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by threeseed on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @06:15PM (#34239524)
> Apple's standards have been less about creating convergent technology and more about reinforcing revenue streams

a) Apple's "standards" are not a proper standard by any definition.

b) Their proprietary connectors e.g. Lightning, MagSafe have always been developed when they have believed there was a better user experience available. When there wasn't they have adopted the industry standard e.g. HDMI, USB-C, SD.

c) Apple is a massive company that hinges on having a superior user experience to the competition. The idea that programs such as MFI would compromise this in order to create an insignificant revenue stream is illogical.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by TylerE on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @03:58PM (#34237940)
the F stands for Fair, not Free.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by scarface74 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @04:27PM (#34238310)
I never said anything differently.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by meragrin_ on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @08:11PM (#34240550)
What patents? I've only seen design patents. Alphabet has a patent on using magnets for alignment: US7026789B2