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Re:Men Without Work: America's Invisible Crisis (Book) by afavour on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:08AM (#34233255)
> Feminists spend much more time lying about men's issues

Not sure if there’s a name for this fallacy but you see it all the time: attributing the opinions/actions of an extreme minority to a whole group. No denying there are some feminists about there spending all their time lying about men’s issues but feminists as a whole don’t.

Same applies almost every time someone says “leftists”, “the right wing” etc etc etc

Re:Men Without Work: America's Invisible Crisis (Book) by gjsman-1000 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:16AM (#34233377)
What do you call the fallacy, which I have seen increasingly online, where someone defines something as being an "extreme minority" when it actually isn't, and then claims the other person committed a fallacy because of that?
Re:Men Without Work: America's Invisible Crisis (Book) by commandlinefan on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:34AM (#34233680)
OP appears to be committing the "motte and bailey" (fallacy?) himself.
Re:Men Without Work: America's Invisible Crisis (Book) by ZGDUwpqEWpUZ on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:15AM (#34233357)
To be clear, you believe the Global Boyhood Initiative, who published that report, are an extreme minority, and are accusing me of a fallacy because of that?

Fascinating. This is exactly the sort of half-baked lie I was talking about.

Edit: At some point, rubber has to meet road. Either you accept that boys falling behind in education is an issue, or you don't. If you don't accept it as an issue, then you cannot simultaneously claim to be the ones solving it.

Some of those solutions are not easy. It's been known for decades that boys get lower grades in school, and not always for the quality of their work. In the UK we saw girls suddenly shoot past boys in maths results when exams were cancelled for COVID and teacher-assessed grades were given instead. What's the feminist solution for that?

Re:Men Without Work: America's Invisible Crisis (Book) by afavour on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:38AM (#34233743)
You added that after I replied.

To be honest your entire tone here is an example of really unproductive online conversation, I don't have any interest in participating in it.

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Re:Men Without Work: America's Invisible Crisis (Book) by woodruffw on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @12:33PM (#34234686)
It’s not appropriate or kind to expect people to read your mind on an online forum.
Re:Men Without Work: America's Invisible Crisis (Book) by ZGDUwpqEWpUZ on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @12:36PM (#34234747)
I didn't. I gave a concrete example of the phenomenon I was already talking about. If he wants to give concrete examples of what he's talking about, he's more than welcome to do the same, but he can't, because it's a lie.

The conversation would have ended up the same way had I seen his reply before editing the example in - I'd just have given it afterwards, and he'd still have no answer.

Re:Men Without Work: America's Invisible Crisis (Book) by broken_mind on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @03:47PM (#34237795)
Of course you don't.