Personally I hate tipping. Long term it just makes everyone frustrated. Socially, it used to be 10% now the bare minimum is 15% if give 18% people then people start becoming happy.

Now I'm forced to expect my price to be 15-20% more expensive than the list...

> Now I'm forced to expect my price to be 15-20% more expensive than the list...

If the industry moves to service included, then the prices will still be 15-20% higher, or more, than they are today. You will have removed the incentive for those that want to provide better service however.

Multiples of 5% calculations is pretty simple and keeps the brain sharp. It’d also be easy to show the price with tips, but dark patterns.

> You will have removed the incentive for those that want to provide better service however.

The incentive to provide better service for individual employees should be provided by their employer.

The incentive for the employer to provide better service to customers is competition with other service providers the client might choose.

Which is how it works in all the jobs that aren’t within the weird and arbitrary bounds of tipping culture.

So then how do you make people care enough to do a good job if there is no monetary incentive? Should the employer cover this? That’ll will still end with the same, increased prices.

Also this has been tried before, and was widely considered a failure. People don’t like surprise fees, inflated prices, etc. They don’t mind tipping as it gives them some control back.

My job also “tips” me. Every year if my manager likes my work from the previous year then I get more RSUs. If they don’t like my work, then I don’t get RSUs (and maybe fired). Tipping is everywhere.

> So then how do you make people care enough to do a good job if there is no monetary incentive? Should the employer cover this? That’ll will still end with the same, increased prices.

Increased prices are what it should be, just as it is in every business outside of tipping culture. Tipping culture is not the same thing as increased prices.

> Also this has been tried before, and was widely considered a failure.

It works just fine in much of the world. It even works fine in the US where foe some things normally covered by tipping culture, a flat fee in lieu of gratuity is applied in certain circunstances (e.g., restaurants do this with largw parties quite often.) It works just fine in places with tipping culture in all the customer service jobs that are arbitrarily outside of its coverage.

> My job also “tips” me. Every year if my manager likes my work from the previous year then I get more RSUs. If they don’t like my work, then I don’t get RSUs (and maybe fired). Tipping is everywhere.

Incentive pay from your empkoyer is not a culture of tips from your employer’s customers.

> Increased prices are what it should be, just as it is in every business outside of tipping culture. Tipping culture is not the same thing as increased prices.

The market said no.

> It works just fine in much of the world. It even works fine in the US where foe some things normally covered by tipping culture, a flat fee in lieu of gratuity is applied in certain circunstances (e.g., restaurants do this with largw parties quite often.) It works just fine in places with tipping culture in all the customer service jobs that are arbitrarily outside of its coverage.

That’s great, but it didn’t work in the US. Some of the larger corps ran the experiment for 4 years and when the waiters lost income they complained. You see, here tipping culture means they make more money.

> Incentive pay from your empkoyer is not a culture of tips from your employer’s customers.

It’s exactly the same. It’s lay I would not have received otherwise.

Do you then also get ran after you when you don't leave a tip on top of the service fee the restaurant charges? Pretty crazy experience that was in the USA

Last thing we need is more adoption of tipping which leads to oassive aggressiveness around the event

Oh god please no more tipping. It's spreading like a virus. Each time I visit the USA there's more pestering for tips from every possible angle. Just pay people a fair wage already.

I don’t mind tipping, as it incentivizes people to perform better than standard work. I can’t see being forced to pay 20% to someone that can bring food on time for instance. Either way, this is Airbnb, the owner of the property sets the “wage”.

This is the correct stance to take. I've been to other countries where tipping hasn't been implemented, and the service and quality has _always_ been worse than in the grand USA.

You mean like in Japan?

> hasn’t been implemented

I’m not going to evangelize what a correct stance on this is, but IMHO tipping is a big, not a feature.

Southern conservative states in the US have much better service than in Japan, because it's authentic and enthusiastic. Other countries service is adequate, but there is always a tinge of resentment and jealousy of us here in the US.

I’ve actually been to Japan, I’m not sure how their service is substantially better than the US. the restaurants I went to you order from a kiosk and get the food yourself. There really is no service to tip for. One restaurant I went to was a mom and pop and there was some service there as they struggled to find forks for us. We tried to tip and they counter tipped and gave us the small beer glasses we were drinking out of.