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Re:The Privatization of Policing by pmarreck on Monday January 02, 2023 @01:04PM (#34221265)
So let me get this straight:

A few bad police apples create a mass left-wing media outrage which results in the withdrawing of a public good (police protection), which results in people needing to hire private security, which results in even more objectionable actions taken by this less-accountable private security, than there were previously by the taxpaid police force?

You don't say.

I guess the only relative improvement here is that some of these security firms aren't armed with anything more than billy clubs.

Re:The Privatization of Policing by rootusrootus on Monday January 02, 2023 @01:19PM (#34221475)
The Portland city government cut the PPB budget by less than 10%. Yes that's a relatively large cut, but it is not the main driver of officers leaving the bureau. The underlying reason is politics.
Re:The Privatization of Policing by kodyo on Monday January 02, 2023 @10:42PM (#34227330)
They also had riots for several months straight for political reasons. I wouldn’t be a cop there either.
Re:The Privatization of Policing by rightbyte on Monday January 02, 2023 @01:28PM (#34221621)
Like the fate of mental institutions.
Re:The Privatization of Policing by harimau777 on Monday January 02, 2023 @02:31PM (#34222491)
Saying that people pushing for police reform results in withdrawing police protection appears to be an unexamined logical jump in your reasoning. That's only the case because the police often choose to withhold police protection in response to police reform.
Re:The Privatization of Policing by pmarreck on Monday January 02, 2023 @05:35PM (#34224652)
OK, I'll accept that criticism, that doesn't necessarily follow
Re:The Privatization of Policing by SpelingBeeChamp on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @12:36PM (#34234750)
> the police often choose to withhold police protection in response to police reform

I am not sure this is accurate, and it’s similarly unclear to me what exactly you are referring to.

I don’t know what, specifically, you mean by “withhold police protection.” Would you provide some examples? And what evidence do you have that such action happen “often” as a response to police reform?

Re:The Privatization of Policing by mikem170 on Monday January 02, 2023 @02:36PM (#34222563)
I wish the focus would have been on improving the situation with internal affairs, where the police are investigating themselves. This doesn't seem right - the rest of our government is built on checks and balances.

To me it is bizarre that this hasn't been a bigger part of the narrative around these issues.

Re:The Privatization of Policing by lamontcg on Monday January 02, 2023 @04:27PM (#34223907)
> A few bad police apples

A few bad apples spoils the bunch.

Rotten apples produce gases that accelerates fruit ripening and turns everything else in the container rotten more quickly.

Re:The Privatization of Policing by kodyo on Monday January 02, 2023 @10:43PM (#34227335)
Bad cops couldn’t exist if there were good cops.
Re:The Privatization of Policing by pmarreck on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @08:51AM (#34231260)
That doesn't follow. That's like saying if there were any good people at a given organization, it wouldn't be able to hold bad people.
Re:The Privatization of Policing by lamontcg on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @02:32PM (#34236735)
It actually does. If there were good cops they'd police and eject the bad cops.

You might have one or two here or there that got in, but they wouldn't last long.

Instead you see that even when bad cops are fired from their jobs, they just get hired somewhere else.