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Re:Why Not Mars by mlindner on Monday January 02, 2023 @12:57PM (#34221153)
> It's about 1.7km/s delta-v to land on the moon from LLO.

Looking at it from LLO isn't the number you should be using. It's the number from Lunar intercept orbits to landing.

Re:Why Not Mars by jacoblambda on Saturday January 07, 2023 @10:54PM (#34295868)
I was just illustrating the path along the lunar gateway (LEO -> TLI -> Gateway -> LLO -> surface). Even if you do a direct (LEO -> TLI -> LLO -> surface) route, you still have to go through LLO as you'll need to be able to pick your landing spot and potentially even delay a landing (which is not possible if LLO is not budgeted in).

Actually now that I think about it, if you want to save delta-v, you can get an extra 25% off the TLI leg of the direct route with a low energy transfer using weak stability boundary trajectories. These savings however come at the cost of a significantly longer flight time and far slimmer margins for failure.