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Re:Why Not Mars by XorNot on Monday January 02, 2023 @06:15AM (#34216683)
This is what strikes me as notable: there are no Frontiers anymore (arguably there never were without massacring the existing inhabitants).

Space actually is one. And there are no (sentient) existing inhabitants.

IMO our current civilization has no way to account for, nor price, that reality - yet.

Re:Why Not Mars by bena on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:31AM (#34219794)
The oceans are our frontiers.

We know more about deep space than we do about deep water.

Re:Why Not Mars by TchoBeer on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:39AM (#34219945)
Additionally, an underwater civilization would make Humanity more resilient to some kinds of extinction events, if you care about that.
Re:Why Not Mars by ETH_start on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:58AM (#34220212)
An underwater civilization would be much less resilient to a nuclear attack originating from Earth, than an extra-terrestial civilization would be.

Submarines and nuclear tipped torpedoes can strike any point on the sea floor with almost no warning.

Re:Why Not Mars by m4rtink on Monday January 02, 2023 @07:59PM (#34226098)
Indeed! If we can survive the wrath of The Deep Ones, we can survive anything!
Re:Why Not Mars by XorNot on Monday January 02, 2023 @04:16PM (#34223793)
The oceans are all owned by various parties. They're use is governed by treaties and governments aggressively militarize development there (see how fishing boats are tracked and monitored).

They're very much not a frontier.

Re:Why Not Mars by bena on Monday January 02, 2023 @05:02PM (#34224282)
That covers the surface.

There are places on Earth that we have never been to. The deep ocean is incredibly hard to get to.

Re:Why Not Mars by salawat on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @12:23PM (#34234497)
An extinction level asteroid hitting the Earth'll hose an underwater settlement just as sure as an aboveground one.