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Re:U.S. universities, rich in data, struggle to capture its ... by nonrandomstring on Saturday December 31, 2022 @02:29PM (#34199812)
> It's kind of like a very boring video game for adults that makes them feel like they're working,

Absolutely love it.

Let's distinguish a few things though. "Data science" seems like a pretty weird name. I mean, it's just "Science" right. Of course there's statistics, mathematics, signal processing, systems analysis, machine learning... all the good things that you and I are into.

But how does this get huddled uncomfortably beneath the umbrella "Data science"?

I think the answer is found by asking about the ends of data science, the old Cui Bono?

There's the raw entertainment value you mention. It's cool to have knowledge and visualise it. Sensors, transducers, processing is fun.

Then there's legibility. That is political and is about control.

What most scientists are doing with data is either hypothesis testing or combing for causal relations to then abductively feed back into hypothesis generation.

What most business people are trying to do is optimise, and adjust constraints and parameters. It's modelling for the most-part. It's ancient and goes back to linear analysis and regression from before the last century.

Security people are looking for stress signifiers, suspicious patterns with various triggers, selectors and tripwires.

Financial people want fortune telling. They want the models to extrapolate into beautiful hockey sticks.

Within any organisation we may need to do one, a few, many or none at all of the above. The problem then is that "Valuable data" is such a broad, open prospect it seduces gushing, credulous administrators into valuing the process, and the tools, but not the ends.

Re:U.S. universities, rich in data, struggle to capture its ... by judge2020 on Saturday December 31, 2022 @03:07PM (#34200221)
The job description for a data scientist isn't necessarily consistent across companies, but I can imagine a good description would be to act like a real scientist in that you collaborate with product teams to figure out what experiments to run, what data to collect, and how to visualize that for both the product and business team to decide on their approach to make the company more money, ie. specializing in a/b testing and experimentation. A problem I see is creating a data science team just to follow the trends and specifically requesting they try to "study user behavior" or something in hopes the data shows some underlying trend that triggers an "eureka!" moment.
Re:U.S. universities, rich in data, struggle to capture its ... by selimnairb on Saturday December 31, 2022 @03:46PM (#34200570)
Agree that the term data science is strange. Data engineer seems like a better name. Science implies rigorous hypothesis testing guided by a theories of how particular systems work. Not sure that applies to most “data science” work.
Re:U.S. universities, rich in data, struggle to capture its ... by civilized on Saturday December 31, 2022 @04:21PM (#34200894)
Already taken. Data scientists are data engineers, and data engineers are data warehouse workers and janitors.
Re:U.S. universities, rich in data, struggle to capture its ... by nerdponx on Saturday December 31, 2022 @05:07PM (#34201261)
Not at all. Data engineers are data engineers. Data scientists are a mix of statisticians, machine learning researchers, and data analysts.
Re:U.S. universities, rich in data, struggle to capture its ... by random314 on Sunday January 01, 2023 @02:19AM (#34204345)
Data science is perfect because an actual science doesn't have the word science in it namely physics, chemistry and biology.

Instead we have social science, computer science and now data science.